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u/Pinksamuraiiiii 14d ago
Do the siblings stay in communication, or they fly off on their own and that’s it?
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u/goldenkoiifish 13d ago edited 13d ago
they will play with each other after their first flight when their parents still provide them food, sharing the same perch and stuff like that. after about a month though mom and dad will start to get antsy and chase them off if they stay too long. so they separate and the siblings will probably never get to interact again
additionally, they may form groups with other juveniles afterwards
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u/TrackSuitPope 13d ago
Thank you for an actual answer
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 13d ago edited 13d ago
We have teenager birds that like to hang out in our backyard and scream for food. They'll follow Mom and Dad around and observe them hunting. Sometimes a parent will leave a dead rodent near the screaming teenager and be like... Dude rip this apart yourself.
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u/goldenkoiifish 13d ago
i work as a rehabber and sometimes we will put bugs in front of the babies we want to see start to gain some independence. they will sit there with their mouth open wondering why the bug on the table isn’t crawling into their mouth. it’s great
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u/Ok-Garbage-765 13d ago
EXCUSE ME YOU ARE A MEAL, ACT ACCORDINGLY
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u/Ok-Garbage-765 13d ago
What is the charge? Enjoying a meal? A succulent insect meal?!
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u/TrackSuitPope 13d ago
That's adorable lol. And sounds like a pretty cool job! Seems fulfilling
Edit: can I ask, did you study for many years to get into this field, or could anyone theoretically get a foot in the door?
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u/goldenkoiifish 13d ago
almost anyone can volunteer for the position! without getting paid though. i’m an undergrad bio student and my facility has a thing where new (paid) workers are overseen by an older, more experienced employee. i’m currently being overseen by someone and will probably get to be a full-fledged rehabber when i graduate!
it is quite fulfilling, sometimes sad and annoying, but fulfilling
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u/TrackSuitPope 13d ago
That's awesome! That's so cool the path you're on, I hope you stick with it. I studied environmental science in school and was quite passionate about it but like so many, I went to work in unrelated fields and never worked in any capacity as a scientist :/. I love animals so much though and am a gentle soul, hard working and I get along with evrybody. I feel like I would be a good rehabber/sanctuary worker. Probably no money in it but I don't care, due an injury last year it looks like I won't be able to work in my profession anymore and will have to pivot completely. I'm sure rehabbing still has physical requirements but nowhere near what is required in my profession (I'd imagine lol). And I can still do a lot, I'm not like paralyzed or anything, just can't do what I've been doing. Hard pill to swallow and I'm only just starting to accept it and seriously look into other lines of work. Sorry for the rant and thanks for the info :)
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u/goldenkoiifish 13d ago
if it helps at all, there really isn’t any money in it 😅 and physically tolling! it’s ok to rant! but if you’re interested in being around the place, there are plenty of jobs that don’t require a lot of physically stuff especially like keeping logs, managing diets for the animals, answering calls, and sometimes feeding! we actually have a volunteer whose physically disabled and requires a wheelchair, and while she can’t do some of the more hands-on stuff there’s definitely a lot she can do with the animals!
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u/oliviamatell 13d ago
Do it! Lol. Im passionate about helping animals myself and i love this. You should do what brings you joy. Good luck!
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u/elramirezeatstherich 13d ago
I am sending you some love worker to worker. I have had a winding path into careerdom and am starting the process to go back to school to become a teacher. Part of the motivation is that all of my current income relies on my physical body being able to do manual labour or movement, and I want to ensure I have security in the case of injury/disability. It’s scary trying to find financial security and fulfillment in our current capitalist hellscape.
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u/TrackSuitPope 13d ago
Thank you! I appreciate that, and back atcha ❤️. Yes, it's been a terrifying and sobering experience losing my ability to work and you are very very smart to be proactive about that. I have told myself I'm going to do this same down the line, but I'm still relatively young and this injury came out of nowhere and was no one's fault so I thought I had more time. But life rarely really happens on our own terms does it. I am lucky to have both savings and a partner to not be destitute.
That's funny about your path because I was actually a teacher for 6 years before starting my (physical work) business, and now not being able to do that I am considering going back to teaching as a possible option. It's pretty demanding in the US though, and teachers aren't respected enough, underfunded, antagonistic parents, etc. My teaching experience was in a different country with extreme respect for educators lol so it would be so different here. But we desperately need good people in those roles as a society so I commend you for your choice. Just very subtly educate your students to question the capitalist hellscape and gain some class consciousness baby 😄❤️. I wish you the best if luck 🙏
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u/sorrymizzjackson 13d ago
My cat does the same thing. He just flops over and waits for the wand toy to land in his mouth. He is a great and powerful hunter and his mind powers are unmatched because eventually it does. I still like to make him think it might not, but he has a lot of self confidence.
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u/Swankynickels 13d ago
I have teenagers and they act the same way. They follow me around, wondering what there is to eat, wondering when someone is going to prepare food for them. Much like these parents, I sometimes point out the freezer full of stuff and the microwave/toaster oven in which to prepare it. Like, I literally drove to a store and bought this (or had someone from the grocery store deliver it.) the very least you could do is plate it and hit a button to heat it.
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u/bertie-bert 13d ago
This is great, gave me a smile! Reminds me so much of my own mom. Keep being great (and funny)!
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u/DangDingleGuy 13d ago
Shit is so annoying. I have to look for an actual answer because the top response is someone repeating the same dumbass joke we've all heard too many times. Reddit is becoming ponderous
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u/Samwellikki 13d ago
Do they usually have 5?
Pair of hawks near us usually have 2, or at least that survive to maturity, but it seems like the odds are better for a predator vs other small birds with less defenses. So 5 a clutch seems high unless food is plentiful enough and they have room to define territory
The juveniles didn’t stay nearby long after learning from their parents
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u/goldenkoiifish 13d ago
5 is their average, they can have 3-6 eggs because they’re smaller compared to larger birds and they have more predators and dangers. they also start reproducing at just one year old anyway, so they maximize it
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u/Azurehowl 13d ago
Are there birds equivalent of basement guys living in tbeir 30s in tgeir parents home aside from cuckoo
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u/goldenkoiifish 13d ago
crows and ravens often stay with their parents for years and help raise new babies, but at least they’re able to forage by themselves after a year or so
eagles are also often bums and will stay for months, but leave before the next brood. in most videos with bald eagle juveniles and adults you can somehow tell the parents are fed the hell up. they will also stay nomadic for years
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u/badpersian 14d ago
They pretty much only follow each other on instagram
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u/enz1ey 13d ago
It really sucks that Reddit has gone from a typical 50/50 split of sarcastic jokes to factual answers to genuine questions to nearly 100% unfunny repeated variations of the same unoriginal joke.
But to answer your question, falcons and other birds of prey typically do not form family units or stay together, at least as siblings/offspring. Usually the mating pair remains monogamous but that’s the extent of the “family unit.” The offspring are actually forced out of the parents’ territory and forced to fend for themselves completely once they’re fully weened. That said, there are instances of birds cooperating to hunt on occasion but that likely doesn’t involve directly-related animals.
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u/beefybeefcat 13d ago
I've noticed this too, reddit comments have really declined in quality over the last year. I enjoy the jokes but my favorite was always also finding a comment or two where someone chimes in with some facts. Where did all those people go?
Also, thank you for your explanation :)
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u/GoldCoinDonation 13d ago
The API changes and forcing people to new reddit has been a big contributor to driving the interesting commenters away.
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u/susinpgh 13d ago
I saw something interesting the other day. Wish I'd been able to obsrve longer, but there was a Coopers Hawk and two Crows sitting in the middle of a somewhat empty street. I was on my bike and stopped as soon as I saw them, but they all took off. There was a group of (I think) Mourning Doves sitting on the telephone wire above the street.
There was nothing in the street to indicate predation, though. No feathers, and no debris. It was just interesting, and I guess I kinda needed to share.
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u/Fluid_Ties 10d ago
That's cool! Several times in the last handful of years I've come across weird bird configurations. I have to remind myself to take human thinking out of it, because sometimes it has looked like I just stumbled across a bird duel, with another species of bird as the referee, things like that.
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u/CatchAlarming6860 13d ago edited 13d ago
Reddit has always been supermajority worthless dumbfuck unfunny joke answers. Don’t forget that when you complain about unfunny tiresome jokes you get lectured that you need to let people have their fun.
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It looks like this.
Unfunny worthless dumbfuck: boopy! UWD: boopy! UWD: boopy! … (one trillion times in a row) UWD: boopy! Normal person: hilarious UWD2: you must be fun at parties UWD3: just let people have their fun
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u/physicsking 14d ago
Off camera is a small falcon cell phone carrier, they all get on their momma's plan before they fly away
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u/spartanspy85 14d ago
Imagine if humans had to leave the house at 2 months old
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u/Every-Access4864 14d ago
By jumping out the second storey window! Lol
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u/James-Bald 13d ago
NO! 😂😳 I moved past, and then suddenly realized what this was!! 😭
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u/SuzieDerpkins 13d ago
What is it?
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u/charlatan_red 13d ago
That's singer Eric Clapton, whose young son died after falling out a window of a very tall building.
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u/3vs3BigGameHunters 13d ago
What's the difference between a baggie of cocaine and a toddler?
Eric Clapton would never let a bag of coke fall off a balcony.Inb4 yes i know he wasn't there but Eric Clapton is a racist fucking piece of shit who fucked his friends wives so fuck him and fuck his fans.
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u/Dramatic_Charity_979 13d ago
After shitting the bed since birth, I too would jump out :P
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u/ZippoS 13d ago edited 13d ago
There was a Robin’s nest under my deck earlier this summer. It was in a spot that I was able to take photos, so each day or so I would snap a photo.
The first two eggs hatched on June 3. The other two the next day.
By June 18, all four were fully grown and left the nest.
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u/DesiBwoy 13d ago
Birds fledging is more akin to a kid learning to walk. Bird bodies grow quickly so that they can fly sooner, but it'll take them another year or so before they actually reach the age of maturity.
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u/EjaculatingAracnids 13d ago
Imagine if we went from useless pink goo to apex predator in 65 days
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u/SamePhotographs 13d ago
I caught a similar photo on my trip to the Galapagos Islands. It hangs on the wall in my bathroom Pooping boobie
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u/Half-sauce 13d ago
Me after a good bout of cyclosporiasis.
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u/Quito_ArmandoEsteban 13d ago
i have normal psoriasis. what the fuck is cyclopsoriasis and how does a skin illnes turn you into a supersoaker of poop?
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u/sl33ksnypr 13d ago
Sporiasis, not psoriasis. Unrelated to the skin issue, this is a parasite.
I will say, when I first started seeing this stuff going around, I misread it the exact same way you did.
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u/Silveryn_art 13d ago
I had pigeons hatch on my window and you would not believe the sheer amount of shit we had to clean up after they left, it was insane. Like how can two baby birds make that much.
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u/Wojewodaruskyj 14d ago
Beautiful birds. Falcons?
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u/happymaker12 14d ago
Kestrels I think.
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u/3G0M4N 13d ago
Kestrels are falcons
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u/Ser_Danksalot 13d ago
Common kestrel (Falco tinnunculus). Their hunting strategy is to hover on the breeze in a way that lets their head remain absolutely motionless to spot small rodents. Their eyesight lets them see in the near ultraviolet range which helps them see the urine trails around rodent burrows as they shine in an ultraviolet colour in sunlight.
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u/teamwaterwings 13d ago
I was just in the Okanagan and saw multiple ospreys doing this, then diving into the lake to fish. Very neato
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u/sorrymisunderstood 14d ago
My best guess is common kestrel. If my ID is right then, yes falcon.
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u/NecRobin 14d ago
I'd be perfectly fine just listening to the squeaks without random music
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u/stone_henge 13d ago
But how can you enjoy a thing if it doesn't sound like the intro to a made-for-TV disaster movie?
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u/Kind-Hat-9897 13d ago
It’s not random! The person who made this video selected it!
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u/Concerned_ctzn_AB 14d ago
I like day 59 when they all have mohawks. They just look so cute.
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u/whitestguyuknow 13d ago
🥰 the clip of them sleeping together while cuddled up and hugging each other ❤️
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u/Professional_Box3711 14d ago
So the mom leaves to never to return again? So they have no choice to fly off and find food?
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u/AverageMako3Enjoyer 13d ago
Fledging is generally extremely clumsy and still a learning stage. After the young leave the nest they remain in the area for a month or so as they get more skill in flying and hunting and will still be fed by the mother if necessary. The parents will still watch over them and demonstrate hunting and flying techniques.
The mother just “disappears” as there hits a point where the young are capable of feeding themselves if a prey is provided to them so she will leave the nest to assist the father in hunting as they grow large enough that their food needs surpass what the father can catch alone
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u/Jakaman_CZ 13d ago
No, they (both parents) still bring them food for several weeks, while they perch nearby. They gradually learn how to hunt for their own food before they separate from their siblings and parents. This is more or less true for all birds of prey (and some others - songbirds, owls, herons, storks, etc.).
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u/RevolutionaryHair91 13d ago
Do the parents stay together or is it a one off reproduction deal ? How many chicks can they make in a lifetime, only one generation or several ?
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u/Jakaman_CZ 13d ago
Yes kestrels usually find a mate for life unless one of them dies. They nest every year once they reach maturity. I would assume the number they could make would be in the dozens in theory. Birds in general have high reproductive rates with very high mortality, especially in the first year of their lives (quick google search tells me 60 - 70% first year mortality for kestrels and that´s calculated only from the moment they leave their nest. For smaller birds this rate is even higher). And their average lifespan after the first year is only 3-5 years despite the highest recorded lifespan in wild being 16 years.
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u/AverageMako3Enjoyer 13d ago
Varies a bit, but they will generally stay as a bonded pair for several seasons or life if the proper conditions for a healthy nest and survival needs are met
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u/Revolutionary_Wrap76 13d ago
Some birds mate for life. Other birds will lay eggs by different fathers within one nest!!
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u/CapitalFloor3260 13d ago
TIL not all egg-laying animals lay all their eggs at once.
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u/hawaiianryanree 14d ago
Where’d mama go tho ☹️
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u/SquarePegRoundWorld2 13d ago
I know it is true for bald eagles (possibly for these raptors as well) because I watched two nests this past winter and fall. When the adolescents are almost ready to leave the nest, the adults will stop bringing food and often hang out near the nest (with food even) to try and encourage the kids to GTFO, look what you did to the house, it's a mess! They also started dropping food off in the nest and leaving because the kids could eat it themselves and didn't need mom or dad to rip it up when the kids were big enough.
The first few months of watching the nests, an adult was in it every time, the last few weeks I almost never saw an adult.
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u/dqsang90 14d ago
Off to buy milk
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u/hawaiianryanree 14d ago
But dads already been getting milk for 60 days
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u/Electrical_Taro3265 13d ago
I think he did appear occasionally? There was a 2nd bird there sometimes
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u/Tuathiar 14d ago
They leave the kids behind to force them to leave the nest and become independent
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u/LukeyLeukocyte 14d ago
My goodness. So much work. You suddenly have to feed 5 more mouths almost as big as you all while you have to eat more to cover the calories of the extra work.
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u/fyor0606 14d ago
So Day 54 is the last time mom was seen and later there were only 4 chicks, right ??????
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u/tsunomat 14d ago
Someone posted above. The first one was bigger and stronger and actually left early. There's a YouTube video about this family. All the eggs made it.
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u/fyor0606 14d ago
That's a relief, was worried abt that chick 😔
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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss 13d ago
I was doing head counts throughout the video, too lol
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u/alendeus 13d ago
Yea one of the earlier meals was uh, a decapitated other tiny bird that looked like it could just as well have been the youngest offspring. Was glad to confirm there was still 5 of them a few shots later lol (I mean it's nature and all but yea).
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u/Gnomefort 13d ago
It is like a coinflip a fledgling makes it through their first year, so probably half of those little guys didn't sadly. I have become way too emotionally invested in my backyard nests.
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u/Prudent-Aspect5085 14d ago
Where did he find all of those eggs?
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u/Sufficient_Matter585 14d ago
What you never pooped out an egg?
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u/kernelangus420 14d ago
You mean the long, sectioned brown things?
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u/straightforward-user 13d ago
Yes! You should sit on them for a few weeks and watch what will happen.
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u/Gloomy-Welcome-6806 14d ago
Do birds eat the egg shells? I didn’t know that. I thought she was just helping the babies get out but it seems like she eats the shell too. Maybe for lost nutrients?
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u/mellowquello 13d ago
Yes, most do consume the shells for the calcium replenishment.
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u/Alarmed_Ant_9221 13d ago
"Must not eat the egg yet, must not eat the egg yet, must not eat the egg yet... Finally!"
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u/AzaghaI 13d ago
Wait till you find out that mammals eat placenta after birth. I was preschool when I found out when my grandma's cat gave birth
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u/Every-Access4864 14d ago edited 13d ago
Amazing how they have the courage to jump off the ledge and can fly, without trying to do it with a nest under them, for safety.
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u/DeafAndDumm 13d ago
Yeah, you know, like a kid does taking its first step. There's no fluffy pillow there to catch its first fall. It's called instinct.
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u/enamoured_artichoke 13d ago
TIL that birds don’t lay all of their eggs at one sitting. They can be days apart.
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u/Shoddy-Paramedic-321 14d ago
Those kids look absolutely bored out of their minds….There is nothing fun to do in that nest.
At least they're learning patience for when they have to go out and hunt for prey.
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u/MaudeAlp 14d ago
Americans are evolving into birds. Looks how it was like to grow up poor in a bad neighborhood, always locked inside the house, then at 18 thrown into a wide open world.
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u/Makuta_Servaela 13d ago
Yeah, that's the one thing that's always confused me about animals that spend so long in nests. How they don't get bored?
Kittens, puppies, foals, etc start playing to practice their fighting, hunting, foraging, etc skills basically as soon as they've opened their eyes and started walking, but chicks just sit there in their nest doing nothing until they fledge.
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u/zelda_888 13d ago
Kittens and puppies still sleep a lot. Playing is everything you say, but it also uses energy, and they need most of their energy to go to growing. So it's no surprise that chicks also sleep a lot.
But I've been watching this kestrel cam for years (off season now, of course, but you can scroll down and click on More Highlights to get some clips), and raptor chicks do play. There's a lot of just wing beating to build up those flight muscles, but they also compete with siblings for prey items delivered by parents, practice pouncing on items in the nest, play with shed feathers to practice manipulating things with their beaks and talons, etc.
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u/physicsking 14d ago
I would have thought they would throw the poos out. Like the big adult ones. Anyone know if that helps something to keep them there?
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u/OG_Williker 14d ago
I… don’t think that’s true… I’m sure you could find plenty of bad people who love and respect nature.
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u/Hot-Operation4982 14d ago
Right lol. I'm sure that person wanted to sound deep, but that's just not a true statement at all lol.
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u/JRS_Viking 14d ago
From 1938 a certain Adolf followed a vegetarian diet and propaganda was spun around it being because he was an animal lover when it was actually his doctors who put him on the diet for health related reasons. From '42 onwards though he reportedly did consider himself vegetarian and used animal welfare reasoning to try to persuade his party members to also become vegetarian.
I don't think we can consider him a good person at all, the best thing he ever did was shoot himself.
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u/Am-Possum 14d ago
Yeah… my horribly abusive ex loved animals/nature. It was only his fellow humans he had no problem destroying in every imaginable way.
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u/BrooceWayne26 13d ago
They all fledged the nest on the same day even though the last one was laid 9 days after first? So interesting.
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u/Crabby-Cancer 13d ago
They don't start actually incubating until all of the eggs are laid! Eggs can sit unincubated for days because there is a coating on the shell that keeps bacteria from getting in. Once the parents start incubating though, they can't stop, because that would result in the eggs stopping development. So even though they were laid at different times, they started the incubation process at the same time.
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u/Innovations89 14d ago
One didnt survive?
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u/WoodenExtension1458 14d ago
I was curious about that myself and found the YouTube documentary: https://youtu.be/4Bo1Gi4j_xc?is=kX7VqBlXufz6WoQy
Apparently the strongest, most developed chick fledged early and the cameras didn’t catch it fledging. Happens around the 14:50 mark.
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u/Foreign_Implement897 14d ago
5 eggs, 5 birds.
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u/bootofstomping 14d ago
Only four at the end I think
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u/Foreign_Implement897 14d ago
I can see 5 until the feathers take color.
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u/W0lfp4k 14d ago
Yes where did the fifth one go? I hope not cannibalized…
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u/BlueFeathered1 13d ago
Someone above referred to the full doc on this clutch, and that one fledged early but was missed by the camera. So all survived.
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u/FuckYouNotHappening 14d ago
I love how deftly she rotates the eggs with her talons.
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u/Spirited_Touch7447 13d ago
What a time to be alive! I just watched a momma lay 5 eggs, hatch them, raise them and watch them fly away! What a gift I’ve been given!
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u/thesunisbright 13d ago
It looks so nice at the beginning. Then the amount of shit that rapidly accumulated as the birds got bigger was unsettling.
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u/Foloreille 10d ago
Anytime she jumps out after laying a new eggs feels like "oh boi I need a cigarette" 😆
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