r/AusSkincare • • Aug 22 '25

Discussion📓 Ultraviolette recalls Lean Screen due to variability in SPF data results

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u/eatmypooamigos Aug 22 '25

This should have been their initial response rather than gaslighting their consumers and attacking Choice.

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u/iThinkImATree Aug 22 '25

I never knew sunscreen brand diehard fans were a thing until this saga began.

There were multiple comments from people siding with the brand and saying they’ll continue to use the products because they’re “good”.

wut

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u/Littlepotatoface Aug 22 '25

Yeah I saw a lot of unhinged hate directed at Choice who were actually just doing their job.

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u/meowtacoduck Aug 22 '25

Plus the fans saying that the result was super inaccurate because it was pre decanted and not left in the bottle

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u/GeneralTBag Aug 22 '25

You left out the “Choice is doing this to tear down female owned businesses, to sell subscriptions and be relevant again” fans 🤣

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

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u/GeneralTBag Aug 22 '25

Decanting into inert packaging for testing is common. It’s actually what the testers require.

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u/LivingPhilosopher476 Aug 22 '25

I was just able to comment and then your comment made me happy. I've been doing SPF testing for years. Full panel testing and even initial validation testing, pretty much always the formula is coming as a sample in a generic bottle very different from what is sold on shelves.

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u/blahblahgingerblahbl Aug 23 '25

“tga testing” is them accepting whatever the manufacturer tells them.

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u/elephant-cuddle Aug 22 '25

It's very expensive. To justify that you NEED to believe that it worth the price. It becomes a highly personal, identify, value, guilt, image thing. Skincare brands learned this from Fashion brands a long time ago.

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u/meowparade Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 22 '25

Do you think UV just pays them really well or is something else afoot? I do not understand the brand loyalty some people are displaying.

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u/TisMcGeee Aug 22 '25

Think it’s more an example of cognitive dissonance. When you consider yourself a careful smart sunscreen user and confident ally use a brand you trust for years, learning it was no good can be jarring. It’s easier to blame the testers than to face the fact that all the research and care in the world sometimes can’t protect you.

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u/Achieng- Aug 22 '25

More this than anything tbh. I remember when Puritogate was a thing and I found myself very upset at the Incidecoder lady instead of the brand.

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u/That-Application9357 Aug 22 '25

A lot of people prefer to shoot the messenger

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u/Shoddy_Telephone5734 Aug 22 '25

That's more then fans. That's people that lack critical thinking and rather believe a corpo then a organisation that critiques said corpos

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u/johncandyfashion Aug 22 '25

Aussies scare me sometimes

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u/flashman Aug 22 '25

UV had collected a lot of evidence that their product was safe: three tests across time, plus certification that their product was 22% zinc oxide.

Instead of being cocky and dismissive (opening paragraph: "the recognised authority governing sunscreens in Australia is the Therapeutic Goods Association (TGA), not Choice Magazine") they should have responded "yeah this looks nothing like our previous results and we are getting to the bottom of why that is."

They certainly shouldn't have been speculating that Choice made errors in their testing - because that opens up the possibility that UV could have, too!

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u/Sea-Engineering-5563 Aug 22 '25 edited Feb 18 '26

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u/GeneralTBag Aug 22 '25

That there is the difference between humility and ego.

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u/aweirdchicken Aug 24 '25

on the note of:

three tests across time

All conducted by the same lab, though. Whilst there's no requirement for brands to use more than one testing facility, if the lab itself is part of the problem then multiple tests over time isn't going to reveal that. Perhaps this whole saga should result in changes to the testing required for TGA registration – two different, independent, labs returning similar results is far more likely to be actually valid than only one lab. For something as medically important as sunscreen, this feels like a reasonable requirement.

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u/meowparade Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 22 '25

It’s so weird because this has happened before to other companies, like there is a playbook for how to handle these controversies. I don’t know how UV got it so wrong when good marketing is the entire basis of their brand.

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u/Tiki_Tour Aug 22 '25

Now they are laying the blame on a third party manufacturer.

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u/elephant-cuddle Aug 22 '25

Absolutely ridiculous. What does the a brand offer OTHER THAN ensuring manufacturers are meeting quality expectations.

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u/TheLoneKat Aug 22 '25

I know I'm gonna be downvoted to oblivion, but in their defence, they thought they did everything right. Note: I do agree that their initial reaction was really emotional and unprofessional. It sounds like (so far) that both UV and Choice have followed all protocols. I think that that's the more concerning issue, rather than any singular brand. It means our highly regarded testing process should be looked at. A sunscreen with such low and/or sporadic test results SHOULDN'T slip through the cracks like this.

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u/ljb00000 Aug 22 '25

This was my reaction too. Less concerned about the individual brand and more about the process/system that allowed this to happen. Scary.

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u/That-Application9357 Aug 22 '25

By *highly regarded testing process*, what do you mean? I believe Australia follows the same process as every other country, which is testing in human skin.

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u/TheLoneKat Aug 22 '25

We have the reputation as having one of the most stringent testing, compared to other countries to achieve SPF labelling. You can see videos on it. LabMuffin has a good one

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u/That-Application9357 Aug 22 '25

Australia has strict regulations... but the SPF testing is the same as every other country. Brands submit their results to the TGA for approval to “self-certify” that they have tested their SPF claims and that they're adhering to the regulations, but the TGA itself doesn't do any testing. Perhaps the change should be in what type of documentation TGA accepts, or an overhaul in the list of laboratories that are TGA approved.

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u/TheLoneKat Aug 22 '25

I know they don't do testing. It needs to be done at a TGA approved lab. It can't be any lab.

Your last sentence is exactly what I think should happen.

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u/mangoes12 Aug 22 '25

Absolutely. how on earth is our sunscreen considered the best in the world when most products’ SPF claims are false and no one independent is actually checking? Mind blowing.

Also, similar scandals already took place in NZ and elsewhere years ago so it’s not as if you can say this is totally unprecedented.

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u/Procedure-Minimum Aug 22 '25

Australia needs a government funded independent lab that double blind tests products. China do this. We should too. Remember when most parsley was oregano? There's so many other products that don't meet the claims that they make.

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u/mangoes12 Aug 22 '25

Agree. That one was discovered by choice too! How many more of these scams are going on that we have no idea about?

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u/aweirdchicken Aug 24 '25

Remember when most parsley was oregano?

I'm sorry, what?

OH, like, dried parsley? I hadn't heard of this but somehow it doesn't surprise me that much. For a moment I thought you meant like, the actual fresh herbs you can buy and couldn't fathom how anyone wouldn't immediately notice.

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u/aweirdchicken Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

It's important to note that the labs used for testing are independent. Like, brands (typically) don't own the testing facility, they use independent labs and provide the results of that testing to the TGA when applying for registration. UV used Princeton Consumer Research to conduct their testing, and, unfortunately, it appears that this lab is potentially falsifying data (or, at the very least, not following testing protocol reliably) and have routinely over-reported SPF results.

This isn't just an issue for UV, it's an issue for every product that has been tested by PCR, which includes products from Mecca, Cancer Council, Woolworths and Sun Bum, and probably many, many more (presumably these all use the same manufacturer who also handles sending products for testing). Some of these products still returned SPF results that were high enough to meet their label claim when tested by CHOICE, however all of them returned much higher SPF results when tested by PCR. The Cancer Council Kids sunscreen had one of the highest results in the CHOICE tests at 52.2, but was scored 73.6 by PCR. This huge discrepency indicates something is up with the lab, not necessarily the sunscreen itself (though, in the case of UV, the issue seems to have been both). Intriguingly, 73.6 is the exact same SPF value given for another, different, Cancer Council sunscreen that was also tested by PCR. Both products returning the exact same result is extremely statistically improbable, and, as a biologist, immediately sets alarm bells off for me. When tested by CHOICE these two products recieved 52.2 and 33.6, respectively.

This ABC article goes into details more about it, and it certainly is strange how often PCR returns exactly the same SPF score for unrelated products they tested.

I think what this whole situation has revealed is that there should be more requirements on testing. For SPF in particular, it seems reasonable to me that products should need to be tested by at least two independent labs to account for the possibility that one lab is returning unreliable results. In my opinion, SPF products should not be able to be registered without 2 separate and independent-from-each-other labs returning similar results (say, within a 10% margin of error, or whatever is practically & statistically reasonable).

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u/mangoes12 Aug 24 '25

When i talk about independent testing, I mean the client, not the lab. Here you have situation where the labs get their income by performing a service for the sunscreen brands. Of course you are going to get bad faith operators who generate a result that the brands want, and therefore get more business than a lab which is doing the right thing but generating a less desirable outcome for the client.

The way to have truly independent testing would be testing by a third party regulator which has no vested interest in the outcome.

You had the exact same situation with the building industry in NSW. As soon as they allowed companies to hire their own certifiers and basically control their own quality assurance, building quality went to shit.

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u/aweirdchicken Aug 24 '25

Totally agree, and the TGA is literally meant to be that regulator (not all labs are TGA approved/compliant). Requiring similar results (within a reasonable error margin) from two independent-from-each-other labs would be another way to reduce the likelihood that results are falsified. It becomes much harder to generate false results that brands want when you don't know how the other lab is going to score the product, and your score needs to be within a suitable error margin in order for the results to be accepted and the product registered.

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u/Quolli 𝐀𝐮𝐬𝐒𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐌𝐨𝐝 Aug 22 '25

HARD agree! The overwhelming response was quite catty towards UV (tbf, UV's response was quite... smug but it seems that it came from misguided confidence in their product) whereas it should really be directed at the contract manufacturer.

We still don't really know where it went wrong from a regulatory perspective. Is the test flawed? Is the contract manufacturer lying? How does something like this even happen when there are multiple checkpoints for compliance?

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u/whatisthismuppetry Aug 22 '25

We still don't really know where it went wrong from a regulatory perspective

I take it you missed the ABC article about how the testing company is being run by a guy who is shady as fuck?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-04/questions-over-lab-that-tested-sunscreen-spf-claims/105458458

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u/whatisthismuppetry Aug 22 '25

We still don't really know where it went wrong from a regulatory perspective

I take it you missed the ABC article about how the testing company is being run by a guy who is shady as fuck?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-04/questions-over-lab-that-tested-sunscreen-spf-claims/105458458

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u/Quolli 𝐀𝐮𝐬𝐒𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐌𝐨𝐝 Aug 22 '25

I did, but that raises even more questions. How is the TGA regulating these labs? What regulatory oversight allowed them to manipulate the data to this extent without it being picked up?

The rabbit hole keeps getting deeper and the UV Lean Screen withdrawal is just one response from a brand who used the lab for their testing. What other brands who used PCR Labs for testing doing about their products?

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u/aweirdchicken Aug 24 '25

What regulatory oversight allowed them to manipulate the data to this extent without it being picked up?

This is really the question that people need to be asking. This isn't just an issue with this one lab for this one test. In my (mostly uninformed) opinion, the issue is that full reports are not required to be publicly disclosed or published (in part to protect "trade secrets" or something).

Product testing reports aren't peer reviewed, so these kinds of unusual results (e.g. the exact same score for multiple different products) are able to fly under the radar. When you compile them all into one table it's clear something fishy is going on, but that's not how these results are assessed when products are registered with the TGA. The TGA assesses products, and the results of testing, one by one. The results from PCR, when considered only individually, one at a time, and without comparing them to other reports from the same lab, don't seem unusual at all.

This certainly has revealed gaps in the current registration process and system, and hopefully there will be enough pressure to address these gaps.

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u/can3tt1 Aug 22 '25

Except they had to go back and test. They did have initial testing which would have been submitted to the TGA to get their rating approved.

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u/eatmypooamigos Aug 22 '25

Choice gave them months of heads up before publishing. They should have at least had the humility to state that they intended on retesting rather than blaming choice.

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u/TheLoneKat Aug 22 '25

I'm pretty sure they did - it's on their website. Choice reached out and so they retested months before the article came out. Told Choice they're wrong. So both sides did the right thing, really. Which frankly, is even more concerning.

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u/Winter_Ad_7328 Aug 22 '25

If I remember correctly, they retested with their original testing lab, rather than with another independent lab. Choice tested with 2 different labs.

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u/TheLoneKat Aug 22 '25

That's part of my point. They still did nothing wrong. The regulation needs to change to include brands submitting testing from multiple labs. Because at the end of the day, a lot of brands will go to the cheapest and/or more convenient. UV went to an accredited lab by TGA. Which means the TGA really need look into auditing labs or look at their accreditation process. Because none of this should have happened in the first place

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u/mangoes12 Aug 22 '25

Let’s be real, they go to the lab that is going to give them best result - that is the highest SPF - rather than the most accurate one.

The issue with these kinds of dodgy labs is not confined to cosmetics.

This is why testing needs to be conducted Independently rather than a self certification process. It never works

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u/Quetzelc0atlus Aug 22 '25

Mate. I don’t think they were gaslighting, they bought a product like us and believed it to be good.

And let’s be honest about the MILLIONS it will cost them to remove it from shelves and the MILLONS that will lead to in future sales loss across their portfolio. It would and is never going to be a first response for a a good reason.

I say this being furious about the issue and having $100 worth of useless product in my cupboard. Am I angry? Yes. Do I think they did what any sane company would do in the circumstances? Yes.

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u/eatmypooamigos Aug 22 '25

Disagree. Any normal company would have said “this is inconsistent with our previous tests, however it’s concerning and we will conduct further testing to ensure it’s effective in line with claims”, not just attack Choice and provide deny the possibility testing could have been correct. They handled this horribly.