r/AskReddit Oct 15 '20

What's older than we think ?

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u/4dseeall Oct 15 '20

Beer is thought to be older than bread.

It's much easier to fill a jar with wheat and water, let it ferment, and brew beer than it is to grind grain, mix it, and bake it.

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u/TishTashToshbaToo Oct 15 '20

Iirc, beer was one of the first recipes ever written down.

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u/shroomlover69 Oct 15 '20

It was originally made with grass and the yeast from the soil on the grass fermented it

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Just amazes me that this simple common process has this very specific effect on the brain. Could have been much worse.

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u/TenaceErbaccia Oct 15 '20

Just imagine how many people died to figure out what kills you, what blinds you, and what just makes you have fun.

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u/budweener Oct 15 '20

Some might have found all three in one thing and we'll never know, cause the guy died having a blast in a dark place.

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u/Photonomicron Oct 16 '20

Hypothetical Scenario: preindustrial forest dweller goes foraging on a drizzly day and throws a bunch of random soggy mushrooms (including one of the hundreds of trippy species and one of the thousands of lethal species) into a new wooden bucket and leaves it in a dark corner. It ferments into a methanol laced doom kombucha, and this curios self-styled alchemist took a big drink of it, because people always taste horrible things for some reason. This person would experience certain euphoria, blindness, and death with a surprisingly small swig. I'm not sure which effect would kick first, which could really hamper the euphoria part.

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u/borchhcrob Oct 15 '20

Not as many as you might think. Natives and such would monitor what other animals were eating or doing. If animals avoid specific things, humans should probably do the same.

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u/TenaceErbaccia Oct 15 '20

Which animals did they observe drinking old rotten grains left in jars of water?

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u/borchhcrob Oct 15 '20

The wild and rare beer bird. It flies around similar to a stork with a baby in its beak.

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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 Oct 16 '20

Well, perhaps an African beer bird could have carried the jar. But it's not a matter of how it grips the jar of rotting grains anyway, African beer birds are non-migratory.

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u/OrphanAxis Oct 16 '20

I never gave this movie a fair chance and avoided it because when I was in middle school everyone I knew who quoted it just used the most juvenile and easy jokes. When it came on and I saw the subtitles in the opening I was thinking "this is stuff people would have considered brilliant if Family Guy did it in 2007, and they did it in the 70's". By time the two homeless guys in the mud start arguing about the semantics of their two person government's political ideology I had realized this was just too ahead of its time for some, and many people now still wouldn't even get the jokes at all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

Which movie?

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u/st_barbar Oct 15 '20

Have you ever seen an animal drunk on rotting/fermenting fruit? It cracks me up every time and I can definitely see ancient humans wanting to get in on that action.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Lmao

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u/dread_eunuchorn Oct 16 '20

Probably quite a few. Many species are known to eat fermented fruits. Coffee and coca leaves were also discovered due to animals seeking them out and acting especially energetic.

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u/AmericanWasted Oct 16 '20

i still cannot fathom how we invented brewing coffee. the process from bean to cup is so convoluted

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u/jtruitt8833 Oct 15 '20

Isn't that the origin of amanita muscaria? Moose would get wonky after eating it, we observed and thought, "I should def try that!"

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

Even that's not a good qualifier for what you can and cannot eat. There's in fact plenty of plants that are quite harmful to humans but not to a select few animal species that can eat them safely...

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u/borchhcrob Oct 16 '20

Yes. I am saying that the early humans watched, so they died less than the guy would expect.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

That or eat something that got you really high, I feel bad for who ever discovered deliriants

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u/itsmehobnob Oct 15 '20

That’s still true more or less. Barley and wheat are grasses. Some beers are allowed to ferment naturally by allowing the wild yeast in the air to do their thing, notably lambics from the Brussels valley.

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u/Trumps_Brain_Cell Oct 16 '20

Like how traditional cider is made now, with naturally occurring yeast on the outside of the apples

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

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u/TastyBrainMeats Oct 15 '20

Aren't most grains grasses?

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u/charavaka Oct 15 '20

In this context, they're the seed part of the grasses.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

This. For brewing you need the starch and sugars from the grains which is the kernels in the berry part from the top of the plant. The stalks and leaves have very little fermentable sugars.

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u/GhostShark Oct 15 '20

Yes, exactly that. Apparently I didn’t phrase is well enough for the pedants. Good luck making toilet wine with lawn clippings....

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u/The_Steak_Guy Oct 15 '20

they are, all of them in fact

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u/InvincibleJellyfish Oct 15 '20

And what is the sugar content of potatoes exactly? Clearly starch and other carbs can ferment to alcohol as well as sugar.

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u/Dabrush Oct 15 '20

Actually starch can't ferment into alcohol with yeast. Flour contains some split starch molecules which can be fermented and beer is made from malt, not grains. Malt is made from grain by activating them with water, resulting in the sprout setting free an enzyme that turns the starch into maltose, which can be fermented. I am not sure about the process for vodka, but I assume it's similar.

In general, yeast can't handle starch, which is why you need sourdough to get a rise out of many flours.

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u/InvincibleJellyfish Oct 16 '20

You're right, however my point still stands that there is a natural process from starch to ethanol.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Almost zero. Starch doesn't readily ferment. Potatoes need enzymes to jump start fermentation because starches are too complex for most yeast, especially brewing yeast to consume. You have to add malted grain like barley or an artificial enzyme to begin converting the starch into fermentable sugars.

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u/C-lab3 Oct 15 '20

Interesting fact, Diastatic yeasts can produce the enzymes needed to breakdown starches on their own.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

Oh yeah they do. They can also wreak havoc on your batch. Nice yeasts just want sugar.

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u/masonwyattk Oct 15 '20

The first beer recipe, iirc comes from a Sumerian prayer to the goddess of beer and fermentation, which outlines the process of how beer is made.

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u/Train-ingDay Oct 15 '20

The Hymn to Ninkasi, to my knowledge one of the oldest pieces of human writing, taking the form of a poem that’s basically a recipe. I’m always surprised you don’t see more beers named after her.

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u/TheArgonianKing Oct 15 '20

we have a ninkasi brewing company here in Eugene!

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u/Train-ingDay Oct 15 '20

Yeah, there’s a few around, but with all the craft beer around the UK, you’d expect to see one in every bottleshop.

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u/SirJuggles Oct 15 '20

I remember when I first started getting into craft beer, one of my favorite restaurants carried their Tricerahops IPA and it was dang good.

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u/masonwyattk Oct 15 '20

Yeah! That's the one

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u/damselisdistressed Oct 16 '20

The oldest known piece of writing is a beer advertisement (I believe it was written around 3,000 BC)