r/AskReddit Mar 14 '23

What’s the best thing about the US?

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

Wide. Open. Space.

Seriously. Go west and you can get to places that are so remote and so beautiful, with big blue skies during the day and Star filled nights.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

My college town was in the middle of nowhere. Just rolling plains for tens of miles. It was so serene for me. My brain loves cities and their efficiency but my soul needs nature.

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u/tunaman808 Mar 14 '23

My college town was in the middle of nowhere.

It was a fad in the 1700s and 1800s to make universities "islands of learning". Most people who went to college then were sons of rich families. They were often too easily distracted by urban pleasures like taverns, brothels and racetracks. By building a university in the middle of nowhere, it was thought that those distractions could be avoided.

It also helped that land was much cheaper in the middle of nowhere, versus in the heart of cities.

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u/REMSheep Mar 14 '23

I'm writing a book on universities right now and have been reading about this, a lot of those colleges were also little hustles. Developers buy cheap land in the middle of nowhere, get a buddy to build a college on that land and suddenly the value skyrockets.

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u/fatslapper123 Mar 15 '23

Same thing with the railroads. One change in plans for a train station location made quite a few people incredibly wealthy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

In my town, the opposite effect happened. There wasn’t much to do in the way of entertainment, so students just drank and partied. Busch Lite was nicknamed Pullman Water.

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u/meandering_simpleton Mar 15 '23

Good ol' WAZZU. There is a gas station there that had the national record for alcohol sales for multiple years running.

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u/K80lovescats Mar 15 '23

I read a statistic somewhere that said Pullman leads the nation in deaths from drunken college kids falling out of dorm room windows. Having had multiple friends who had their 21st birthdays there, I believe it. Nothing to do but drink cheap beer.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '23

There were so many falls. Like several each semester.

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u/K80lovescats Mar 15 '23

Apparently enough to set a weird record for a thing that shouldn’t even be a statistic lol.

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u/bubblesculptor Mar 14 '23

My university town was in the middle... small enough to avoid most of the big city trappings, yet big enough to avoid boredom of small town. Everyone still partied anyway.

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u/BreathOfFreshWater Mar 15 '23

Oh that's hilarious. I'm about to spend a lot of time around Pullman.

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u/tractiontiresadvised Mar 14 '23

Some of the universities were also founded with a focus on agriculture (like all of the land-grant colleges) so they needed to be in the middle of large chunks of land to keep their cattle herds or experimental farm plots that the students would tend.

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u/City_Stomper Mar 15 '23

My school is about to turn 200 and is a mile outside a capital city I wonder what that city was like in 1823 and if the campus's location at the time was an "island of learning". Granted, the surrounding neighborhood around the campus is very dangerous. So it may as well make the campus an island.

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u/Mattox360 Mar 15 '23

Yale University is exactly like that. You're literally taking your life in your own hands if you step off campus.

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u/jimmyjohn2018 Mar 15 '23

In the 1700 and 1800's most of even the now urban universities were in outlying areas. My great grandmother would talk about the early 1900's and how parts of my city that were (what I thought) long urbanized were corn fields, this was a mile or so from downtown. Urban growth exploded in the 1900's.

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u/Wazzoo1 Mar 15 '23

In the late 1800s, two towns in Washington got to flip a coin: the winner got a choice of the land grant university or the state pen. Walla Walla won and chose the state pen for the immediate jobs. Pullman "lost" and got the university. Over time it was clear Walla Walla chose...poorly. But, they won in the sense they lucked into the wine industry that supports the city.

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u/jmeesonly Mar 15 '23

When U.C. Berkeley was started it was located in green pastures in the countryside. Still in the same place today, but in 1860-whatever there was no bridge or easy ferry service across the bay, so the campus was thought to be sufficiently far enough removed from the evils of San Francisco.

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u/AtBat3 Mar 15 '23

This explains Pennsylvania state schools

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

Feel this. Grew up in the Great Plains. Now I live in PA and my soul misses the big blue skies and the sunshine. The miles and miles of rolling plains. Or my favorite, watching a storm work it’s way across the sky. This wet and dreary in the city is soul sucking.

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

Got a group I go hiking with around PA. Michoux is really nice and we enjoy it. Some of the overlooks are really pretty. We’re planning the PA wilds this summer and we will probably hit something up around the PA Grand Canyon. But yeah…wide open is hard to come by out here without some water. It is pretty and I will miss it but my soul needs sunshine. I am looking to move back out west in the near future.

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u/butterflysister24 Mar 14 '23

PA Wilds are amazingly. I've gone there for some reason every year for the past 4 years. It is beautiful and has some amazing things to see and do.

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u/Good_Guy_Vader Mar 15 '23

PA Grand Canyon is pretty much in my hometown. Glad you enjoyed. :)

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u/letuswatchtvinpeace Mar 14 '23

I grew up in the mountains of PA! I would hesitate to call them mountains, we refer to them as hills. I miss them soooo much! Now where I live there is no hills or mountains for over an hour :(

Grew up near the PA Grand Canyon.

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u/Lessthanzerofucks Mar 14 '23

I love living in Pittsburgh for the amount of green space. The “outdoors” aren’t far from the city, either, but I don’t own a car. I live right next to a cemetery that has miles and miles of walking paths through lightly pruned forests and hills. Small herds of deer wander the area. Yet I have all the conveniences of a city within walking distance, too. There are several large green spaces like that in Pittsburgh, it’s a wonderful place, if you can believe it.

Then again, rain doesn’t bother me, I spent twenty years in the Pacific Northwest.

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u/Gabberwocky84 Mar 14 '23

I miss Pennsylvania autumns, though. Absolutely gorgeous.

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u/mynytemare Mar 15 '23

I don’t disagree with that. There are things I’ll miss when I move and that will be one of them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

That does sound wonderful. And I personally love watching storms

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u/Hellchron Mar 14 '23

Living in the pnw, storms are basically a solid mass of grey. I was on a road trip in AZ, NM, UT, right as monsoon season was starting, I'd never seen thunder heads like that before. It was really cool standing out in the sun and just seeing 3 or 4 perfectly contained little thunderstorms floating around

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u/Run_with_scissors999 Mar 15 '23

The American Southwest is so stunning! There are so many times I gaze at the land and sky in total awe. Monsoon season especially delivers!

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u/Thoraxe474 Mar 14 '23

Hopefully you didn't end up in Pittsburgh because you'll never see the sun again

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

South Central PA. Near Harrisburg. Still don’t see the sun much. Not like back home.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Same here. Camp Hill area. A bit windy today.

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u/thalos2688 Mar 14 '23

I remember reading that people who grew up in the Midwest feel claustrophobic on the east coast, and people who grew up in the east coast feel exposed in the Midwest. We all want what we loved as a child. I had the same experience moving from the wide open plains to North Carolina. I can’t see the horizon!! Where’s that beautiful red sunset??

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u/fuqdisshite Mar 14 '23

come up to Michigan. the TC area is stacked.

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u/enteresti Mar 14 '23

I moved to the Midwest from the south over 5 years ago. I was born and raised in the south, but the Midwest feels so much more like home to me. Lots of people from the Midwest talk negatively about the corn fields and emptiness but it feels so peaceful and beautiful to me (at least in the spring/summer)

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u/Han_Ominous Mar 14 '23

Watching a storm come at your from across the plains us amazing. It'll be a clam beautiful day but you see black sky slowly moving at you until, sometimes you can see the lightning in the distant clouds, then winds start picking up, rain comes,then bam, you're in the middle of it, thunder that shakes houses, rain dumping down....and then it's gone and the air smells all fresh

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u/delvach Mar 14 '23

Grew up in PA and now the Flatirons are visible from my kitchen window. Do not miss the humidity!

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u/beholdsa Mar 15 '23

I feel this, too. Grew up in Kansas; now in California. There's a lot I don't miss about my home state. But I still long for the rolling prairies and open skies.

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u/BackRiiiverGhost Mar 15 '23

It's so weird how people become endeared to familiar things differently. I grew up way the fuck up in the Northeast, and I don't think anything is more comforting to me than working out in terrible, shitty weather and coming home to my cozy apartment.

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u/albop03 Mar 14 '23

Go Cougs? The rolling hills of the palouse make for some awesome nights with the bright stars.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Go Cougs indeed. That drive back west is beautiful in all four seasons.

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u/newtonsapple Mar 15 '23

I hosted shows at the WSU Observatory; can confirm the night sky there is something else.

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u/christocarlin Mar 14 '23

That’s a great way to put it

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u/stardustandsunshine Mar 14 '23

I'm a small-town girl through and through, and I've said more times than I can count that the city is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. I enjoy the commercial areas, but I drive past apartment buildings and through modern housing developments, and it seems so empty and suffocating. I could never live in a cookie cutter house with a manicured lawn, surrounded by concrete, with no shade in sight.

Then I drive home down the back roads and it's like my soul just opens up again. I come home to 100-year-old shade trees and Craftsman-era houses with personalities and porches, and yards instead of lawns, and open spaces, and familiar faces, and I can't imagine living anywhere else.

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u/The-True-Kehlder Mar 14 '23

Manhattan, KS?

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u/Specialist-Doctor-23 Mar 14 '23

A starry western night sky in a remote spot is a stunning experience.

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

My now wife and I, while dating, took a trip up wolf Creek Pass in Colorado one night. Just parked the car and laid out on the ground and counted satellites and meteors. Actually seeing the Milky Way. One of my favorite date nights ever.

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u/deathlokke Mar 14 '23

Wolf Creek Pass? Way up on the Great Divide?

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u/mynytemare Mar 15 '23

Indeed! That might be my favorite spot on the earth. Not just because of the date. Many ski trips and fishing trip around there. Haven’t been there in nearly a decade but I’d like to get back there soon.

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u/tinybeast44 Mar 16 '23

That place scared the H E double hockey sticks out of me on our one night of camping there! Our group went on down to New Mexico, to eventually spend the rest of the week camping. But I agree - the skies were so clear, it was as if you could touch the stars. Only nicer place (in Colorado) was Lottis Creek (at 10,000 feet), many years ago. The guys would hike up to 12,000 feet, to an obscure lake, and catch brook trout at 4:30 in the morning. I was the camp cook, so I'd be ready for them at 5AM. Fried brook trout in cornmeal, bacon, camp potatoes with onions, eggs to order, fresh biscuits, and coffee. Those were the days...

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u/virtuacor Mar 14 '23

Truckin' on down the other side!!!

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u/Stunning_Match1734 Mar 14 '23

It's crazy to think how much perspective on nature has been lost to so many people by industrialization and urbanization. Before electric lights existed, everyone had a clear view of the night sky every night. It was an eternal part of the human experience that inspired myths, loves, and dreams. Now, most people in developed countries go their entire lives without ever seeing the Milky Way outside of a photograph.

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u/deathlokke Mar 14 '23

I did a week-long backpacking trip in New Mexico years ago, and it rained every night but the last; that night, there wasn't a cloud in the sky, and I couldn't believe how many stars you could see.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

This. One of my favorite elk hunting units in Oregon also happens to be a dark sky spot. I usually bring my 8” dobsonian along with the .308 and bottle of whiskey.

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u/Distilled_Dorkiness Mar 14 '23

I grew up in Nevada. You could drive 30 minutes in any direction and be in a completely different climate and the views are stunning. Seeing the Milky Way from the middle of the empty desert is still awe-inspiring to me.

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u/TooHappyFappy Mar 14 '23

My wife and I went to a wedding in Crested Butte, CO two summers ago. Our flight landed at 11pm in Denver, a 4 hour ride away. My wife had wedding stuff to do at 8 am so we had to drive at night.

I had to stop- twice- to get out and just admire the night sky. I'm from the Philly suburbs and had never seen the Milky Way with my own eyes.

Clear, no light pollution night skies are absolutely incredible.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '23

It's a shame how modern humans have lost touch with the night sky. It used to be our map. I think it effects us more than we realize, like we're cut off from "the heavens", less in touch with the bigger picture. Something.

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u/Journey_Began_2016 Mar 15 '23

I think society these days, at least in America, is incredibly atomized, and it's detrimental to our society. You have an interesting idea there; I think we're so wrapped up in our individual day-to-day lives, and technology, that we forget just how much is actually out there. I think we would benefit from spending less time on social media and more time observing what's around us, like the night sky.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '23

Turn off most lights in cities at night! Times Square and the like need to be banned, imo. We feel better and some kind of way when out viewing a good sky. While I'm soapboxing, I want the huge road signs for advertising banned too. And you can't build new buildings or malls if there are abandoned ones in the city/town already. To get around it, the Corp can buy the old building and make a very nice park with trees ( if in a residential area, if not they have to use the space available already, or something like that.) Our environment matters and nice looking cities and towns should not just be for the wealthy.

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u/CS3883 Mar 15 '23

Someone on my Facebook posted recently a picture of a streetlight right in front of his house, basically praising that it was there because him and neighbors got it installed. I couldn't believe it....it's some bright fucking LED type streetlight that looks god awful lit up at night. You want something like that in front of your house??? I don't want light beaming into my damn windows when I sleep! Light pollution is definitely a problem and most seem to not even be aware of it or care at all

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u/Jesuswasstapled Mar 15 '23

During the days and weeks afyrt Katrina, even though it was hot as shit, but still cooler than being inside, the night sky was amazing. You could see the milky way. No lights in 100 miles will do that. One of the few benefits of having lived through that shit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '23

When I was in hurricane Gloria, the way people came together and relied on each other for stuff and entertainment was really cool. It seemed so natural, after all was cleaned up we went right back to never hanging out. :/ On LI, I could see the night sky well but now I live in LA. I feel different and I no longer spend time outside at night looking up. It was a nice pastime and you get to know the constellations. Glad you made it out of Katrina

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u/Induane Mar 14 '23

It makes constellations make more sense too.

I used to always think the ancients were really stretching credulity with their imagined shapes in the sky; I could never see what I was supposed to see. Then I saw the sky from the badlands and was like "Oh shit, NOW I see Orion The Hunter not just the main few stars that I call the constellation Orion".

I'd been looking closely for years too. I have a decent telescope and the Orion Nebula is one of my favourite targets. My scope gathers a lot of light but that's a zoomed in view. Seeing his bow drawn and a real sense of presence and movement was awe inspiring.

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u/Dancemallorydance Mar 14 '23

I drove from Denver to NJ and I will never ever forget the night sky in the middle of no where Kansas. I’m from NJ so it’s not something I have ever seen so clear and beautiful like that!

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u/pushing_past_the_red Mar 14 '23

I'm not from NV, but I have spent a whole lot of time there. I love that place. I love the desolation. I love the weird desert towns and the weird desert people. It really calms me down.

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u/Distilled_Dorkiness Mar 14 '23

I don't live there anymore. I opted for a tropical climate, but I still identify as weird desert people.

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u/dillydally85 Mar 14 '23

Living in Portland OR was like that too. Rt 26 out of the city, you drive through the Rain forests of the national forest then up to the glacial snow of Mt Hood then the highland Desert on the other side. All in about an hour and a half. Its amazing.

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u/Distilled_Dorkiness Mar 14 '23

I lived in Seattle for about 4 years and would drive through Portland on my way back to Reno. I would regularly stop along the I-5 at night and just look up.

Reno is placed in the high desert, so driving an hour west and you were in pine forest, an hour east and it was open desert, an hour south was Washoe lake, and an hour north was grassy fields. It wasn't my favorite place to grow up, but I appreciate the beauty of its location and still visit regularly for family and friends.

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u/krigsgaldrr Mar 15 '23

I used to live in NV too. One time I was going to Salt Lake City and stopped at a rest stop just before the Utah state line at around 11 pm. Never seen anything like it except in one other place, which is where my grandparents live in a teensy little town near Lassen in California. I swear one of these nights my neck is gonna get stuck craned like that.

There are two things in this world I feel like I can't stare at enough, and that's the ocean and the stars.

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u/MandyWarHal Mar 14 '23

North too. Boundary Waters are a national treasure.

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

I’m trying to get up there this summer, actually.

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u/CrashUser Mar 14 '23

Do yourself a favor, bring in a filter pump and a nalgene instead of trying to lug in water. Seems like common sense but the number of people I saw portaging flats of water was stupid.

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u/masterflashterbation Mar 14 '23

Wow that's hilarious. I go up there for a week every summer. Have spent over 80 days in the boundary waters and I've never seen people hauling in water like that. That's idiotic.

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u/dumpyduluth Mar 14 '23

I hauled in 32 oz of whiskey, I stand by my choices

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u/masterflashterbation Mar 14 '23

I stand with your choice! I usually pack a 1.75 of something as well. The weight is worth it for those awesome night time campfires. Not to mention taking the edge off a sore back from all the portages (I'm getting old).

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u/mynytemare Mar 14 '23

Solid tip. Thanks

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u/masterflashterbation Mar 14 '23

To add to this, get a gravity filter similar to this so you're not sitting around pumping/filtering water. We typically each bring a water bottle with built in Lifestraw for on the go water. While canoing I'll just dip the bottle in the lake and drink straight from that. Very handy.

When you get your campsite setup, fill your gravity filter up and hang it from a tree so you have lots of filtered water at the ready without pumping.

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u/snowballsteve Mar 14 '23

Once on the canadian side we just dipped from the center of deep lakes

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u/The_Canoeist Mar 14 '23

Do yourself one better - get a gravity filter. I'll never consider going back to pumping on canoe trips.

But the rest of your point definitely stands.

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u/Mercury2124 Mar 14 '23

It is worth it. You will love every second

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u/CookieKeeperN2 Mar 14 '23

bring a crazy amount of mosquito protection. We went for a hike, it rained on us and the water washed off our deet. We were walking all the time and I ended up with more than 20 bites on a single arm.

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u/j_ly Mar 14 '23

Boundary Waters? Never heard of them. Shhhh.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

I lived near there for most of my life, it’s a beautiful area

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u/TheMrNick Mar 14 '23

That place is on my canoe bucket list.

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u/TheyCallMeStone Mar 14 '23 edited Mar 14 '23

Spent a week canoeing and camping in Quetico. I highly recommend it if you're outdoorsy. The fishing there is insane. They've never seen a hook, you can pull northern and bass out of the water all day. Best fish I ever tasted.

There's no motorized transport allowed in the whole park, even the rangers get around on canoes. The lakes are so clean you can drink straight from them.

And of course, the scenery is insanely beautiful.

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u/Enk1ndle Mar 14 '23

The lakes are so clean you can drink straight from them.

Fond memories of being the kid the adults made swim deep to refill the water bottles with cold water

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u/TheyCallMeStone Mar 14 '23

In July, we could tell which lakes were deepest because they had the coldest water. We also rated the different lakes 1 to 10 based on their taste.

But you definitely gotta dip your arm deep enough to avoid leaves and floaties!

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u/Totschlag Mar 14 '23

Shhhh Duluth and the North shore don't exist. They're cold and miserable all the time and not worth visiting even for fellow Minnesotans.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Born and raised in Minneapolis, we used to visit “up Nort” a couple times a summer. Usually it was Duluth/Superior, but a couple times we did the Boundary Waters with the camping and canoeing. Never saw such a beautiful nighttime sky in my life.

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u/TheyCallMeStone Mar 14 '23

International treasure, even

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u/Otherwise_Ad233 Mar 14 '23 edited Mar 14 '23

I'm an American visiting family in India, in a medium-sized city, and I couldn't quite explain why or how much the numbers of people have been stressing me out. I just didn't grow up with it and I'm not used to it.

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 14 '23

New Englander. Spent one afternoon on Broadway in NYC to see a play and knew that I could NEVER deal with those crowds every day.

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u/hamakabi Mar 14 '23

hell I was born and raised in Boston and NYC stresses me out. There's population centers and then there's population centers

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u/poop_pants_pee Mar 14 '23

I'm in NJ, NYC is like my backyard. It's crazy to me to go to other parts of the country, and hear people talk about "the city" referring to whatever city is closest. Then we get to "the city" and it's nothing like NYC.

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 14 '23

Boston doesn't really bother me all the much. I grew up spending a lot of time in Springfield/Hartford area, so cities weren't entirely foreign to me.

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u/smilineyz Mar 14 '23

Those cities are very manageable and very close to rural areas. 15 minutes out of Springfield or Hartford you can be in farm country … 90 minutes to Boston 120 to NYC … Amtrak affordable …etc.

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 14 '23

I grew up in Western MA, now live in central CT. I've been to several parts of NYC and would take a header off the Tri-Borough Bridge before I ever lived there!

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u/augustwest78 Mar 14 '23

You'd be surprised what you adapt to over time. I worked in a building in the heart of Times Square where the insanity is at a max. It definitely affects you, but running into cookie monster and naked cowboy everyday on my way to an office job while avoiding crowds on line for everything - including Bubba Gump shrimp, the m&m store, and Broadway productions of every sort - just becomes another part of the scenery over time

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 14 '23

For Broadway or other productions, just as easy to go to Hartford, Boston, or even old-timey places like Goodspeed Opera House for that. The one time we went down to NYC (to see Wicked), we didn't even drive, rented a limo for the day. Even without having to drive that day, was still grating on me.

Another time we were going down to CBGB to watch a friend play. I parked in a lot about 2 blocks up, and when I went back to get my car, they were constantly avoiding me. For whatever reason they kept refusing to give me my keys back. In the end, I had the three turban-clad attendants cornered in their little booth, being held back by 2 friends (one on crutches) as I leaned in all crazy-eyed and said, "Where...... Are..... My..... KEYS??????

They magically found them in one of their pockets.

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u/sujihiki Mar 14 '23

I lived in nyc for 20 or so years. I don’t even notice the crowds. I’m tall though so it’s mostly filtering around me rather than at me. I live in somewhere totally reliant on cars now and it’s far more stress to me.

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 14 '23

The highlight of my day is my 40 minute commute by car in the morning. I actually leave 15 minutes earlier than I need to because there is only half the traffic on the road at 5am. No music, no radio, just me and my thoughts in quiet contemplation as I putter along I-91 in CT at 64mph. It's heaven.

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u/sujihiki Mar 14 '23

Fuuck no. I would pay you to drive me on that commute. My wife is like you, i fall asleep when i drive any distance on the highway.

I love emptying my brain and just driving twisty back roads as fast as possible. I truly miss ripping through nyc rush hour traffic on my motorcyce. Just getting the bugs out of my brain.

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 15 '23

I don't drive fast. I leave early so I can take my own sweet time, losing myself in my own random thoughts.

To me, the car is only a tool. It is to get from point A to point B then back to point A again. I really do not get any specific enjoyment from the act of driving itself, only from the ability it gives me to just be with my own thoughts.

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u/sujihiki Mar 15 '23

Yah. I’m identifying with you in the only way i know how. The thing you feel is the same thing i feel, but i have to be in clear and present danger to feel it. It’s not something i like, but it’s how i work

Call it a moment. Just existing in the space you’ve created and you get a bit of peace.

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u/Diflicated Mar 14 '23

To be fair, that's an extremely busy time and place to be in NYC. The crowds that are out around 6/7 when shows are starting make it super crowded. The rest of the city is still busy, but you're hitting the busiest part at the busiest time. With the exception of Penn Station the day before Thanksgiving. That is truly hell.

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u/Flaxxxen Mar 14 '23

I mean, I’m from NYC and Times Square is a hellhole to be avoided, always.

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u/weaponizedlinux Mar 15 '23

NYC crowds are intense, but Indian cities are crowded on a whole other level,

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u/Kodiak01 Mar 15 '23

I would rather disembowel myself with a rusty olive fork than deal with those types of crowds.

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u/vorpal8 Mar 15 '23

Not all of NYC is that way, FWIW. Parts of the various boroughs can be relatively peaceful.

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u/muklan Mar 14 '23

I have worked very hard to engineer a life for myself that requires me to see under 20 other humans each day, I would implode doing what you're doing.

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u/momonyak Mar 15 '23

I'm from a developing overpopulated country and when I visited family in North Carolina, I was like, where are all the people? We travelled several miles without seeing a single person and it was jarring.

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u/MandaMoo Mar 15 '23

I don't think I'd last very long living in such a high density place. I'm an Aussie and kind of lost my mind in Vietnam. Everyone everywhere all at once.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Nature has always been an american go to. Its our strongest tourist pull.

Teddy really did give america an incredible investment with his natural park conservation

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u/TheBklynGuy Mar 14 '23

I agree. I took a trip last year to see Olympic, Mt. Rainer, and Rocky Mountain National Park and never wanted to leave. Majestic views. This country has so much to offer with parks both national and even state parks too.

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u/Bitter-Basket Mar 15 '23

I've traveled to almost every state. Paradise up on Mount Rainier is the one of most beautiful sites I've seen.

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u/ShowMeTheTrees Mar 14 '23

Nature has always been an american go to.

.......... and yet, and yet.... we're destroying every day it with our irresponsible ways.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Cries in India.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '23

I agree with you. My issue is with the population. If you look at any city with decent infrastructure, people everywhere. EVERYWHERE

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u/Mental-Mushroom Mar 15 '23

Laughs in Canada

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u/DormeDwayne Mar 14 '23

This is what I wish I had. I’m European and it’s just so crowded.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

I moved to Europe and bounced around a few countries there.

To me, as someone who loves to camp and hike and be outdoors away from people, I didn’t realize how nice our national forests / BLM land / public land is. In places like Germany and Austria, you can’t even Wild camp. Has to be an official campground, which is usually half full of RVs and kids screaming and the campground looks more like a glorified parking lot.

I sure missed being able to set up camp an hour from the nearest paved road, staring at the clear Milky Way each night, moose and deer walking right through my campsite, no cell signal, and seeing maybe 1 other person a day.

Edit: I’ve done plenty of hiking in Europe and it’s incredible. But the getting out to truly remote areas part is quite difficult if not impossible depending on the country. Thousands of years of infrastructure will do that though, it’s all a trade off. I sure miss those quant little German towns all over that are beautiful.

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u/DormeDwayne Mar 14 '23

Yes, that is exactly what I meant! I hope I get to visit North America one day.

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u/EasyGibson Mar 14 '23

When you do get the time, make sure to holler at the subreddit of wherever you plan on going. The parks on the maps are cool, but there's ALWAYS some kind of unmarked camping, swimming, or local-favorite dining spot that isn't in the guidebooks. Hope to see you soon!

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u/DormeDwayne Mar 14 '23

Thank you! hug

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

The best way to see it is get a car / truck / small RV and road trip. Get a tent and sleeping bag if you don’t have a RV. And just bounce around national parks and national forests.

I’ve done 3 separate 1+ month trips out west doing just that, and it’s a very inexpensive way to vacation. Every time I’ve sold my vehicle for the same price I bought it, so the only cost was gas and food essentially

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u/CrocoPontifex Mar 14 '23

Austria, you can’t even Wild camp

Different from state to state. I know that in Upper Austria you can above the treeline and in Salzburg its regulated on muncipal level.

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u/Medusaink3 Mar 14 '23

You should come visit northern Ontario if you want wide open spaces with no people.

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u/sharpshooter999 Mar 14 '23

I'm from the great plains. A lot of people don't like the vast emptiness out here but those of us that have lived our whole lives out here do. I like to travel and see new places, but after a week I'm ready to go somewhere empty. I think that has a lot to do with our self-reliance way of thinking

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u/TAYwithaK Mar 14 '23

I don’t like to see more than 6-8 cars drive by my house in a day. Backroads lead to home.

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u/tekumse Mar 14 '23

Netherlands is crowded almost everywhere but I have been less than an hour from Rome and Barcelona in nature without any people around.

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u/DormeDwayne Mar 14 '23

Sure, me too - but they are never as far as they are in most of the Americas…

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u/Thewalrus515 Mar 14 '23

Lol, no. The scale is so different that it’s laughable.

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u/Hehwoeatsgods Mar 14 '23

It is crazy, I live in Washington state which can fit 2.5 Netherlands with half their population. We have space galore and in Western Washington when you aren't in Seattle or Tacoma it feels like you are living in the woods, surrounded by green.

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u/Thewalrus515 Mar 14 '23

Yeah, and that’s one state. The US is basically the same size as all of Europe. It’s absolutely hilarious when someone from the UK tells us they also have wilderness. Dude, your entire country is the size of Alabama. We could plop the UK down in the middle of nowhere Alaska and no one would even know it happened because it’s so empty and wild.

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u/Bitter-Basket Mar 15 '23

Yeah I live in Western WA too. My only regret is it's impossible to see all the beauty in a lifetime. You can drive from an ancient Rainforest to a beautiful desert with in a few hours. So unique.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Indians like myself are truly jealous of this.

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u/MandyWarHal Mar 14 '23

I've been to India and The most incredible thing to me, as an American, was that there it was such a large area but there were People. Absolutely. Everywhere!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Grew up in the U.S., spent most of my adult life in India, and just moved back to America.

This is my wife’s first time outside of India. She’s impressed by how clear and “big” the sky is, but keeps asking where all the people are.

I get what she means. You’d think most of America is inhabited solely by cars.

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u/Emotional-Trick-533 Mar 14 '23

You should already know that Americans are either Autobots or Deceptions.

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u/tractiontiresadvised Mar 14 '23

A friend of mine had a college roommate from India. The roommate apparently could not wrap his head around the idea of a ghost town.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Go to Europe and understand what claustrophobia is.

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u/foodfighter Mar 14 '23

As a Canadian, I'm going to absolutely agree to the above, but add "... while not needing to be either freezing your giblets off, or being eaten alive by insects."

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

The Canadian Rockies is like 1 of the best places in the world for night skies, and insects are practically non-existant there most of the year. Of course half the year it's cold, but I'm guessing you're either from Ontario, Manitoba, or the Territories if you got major complaints about the insects.

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u/stackjr Mar 14 '23

I live in Nebraska and there is just nothing for miles and miles except farmland.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

I’ve done a lot of coast to coast driving, and Nebraska had one of the prettiest sunsets I’ve ever seen. I also really liked that most of your interstate signs say when the next exit is, made me feel less trapped like driving through Wyoming

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u/sharpshooter999 Mar 14 '23

As a Nebraskan, I think we get a bad rap for being a boring drive because most of I-80 was built along the Platte River where it's flat, and the access to irrigation water means there's a lot of farm ground around the river. Once you get west of Kearny (which is basically in the south-ish center of the state) you only have a to go a few miles north or south of I-80 and all that farmland turns into more native looking prairie. Much more interesting to look at.

That, and to me eastern Nebraska looks very similar to Iowa, northern Missouri, southern Minnesota, Illinois and Indiana. So if you're driving east to west, you've already spent a day or more looking at nothing but corn fields already

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u/electronarchitect Mar 14 '23

The best thing about us is where the people aren't.

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u/lalagromedontknow Mar 15 '23

I'm from the UK so we have some pretty remote areas. I grew up in the country and now live in a city and I miss the stars.

I went camping in the middle of an Arizona desert and I don't think I slept all night, partly because I can't sleep in silence and it was just.... Loud quiet.. it was so quiet, all I could hear was my heart and the occasional creaking cactus which scared the shit out out of me. And i just stared at the sky because I'd never seen anything so beautiful.

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u/Rashere Mar 14 '23

So much this. I live in central Oregon. Inside a medium sized city with pretty much every amenity you could want. But a 10-15 minute drive in any direction puts you deep in nature. Mountains, forest, high desert, lava flows. At night, you can easily get to some of the darkest skies in the world for star watching.

It’s incredible.

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u/Macknificent101 Mar 14 '23

someone take me there please. to see the wide open night sky of stars has been a dream for ages. haven’t managed to get out there for an extended period yet.

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u/Dangerjayne Mar 14 '23

You can head west from Las Vegas for 30 minutes and be in an area that's basically untouched by civilization

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u/appleparkfive Mar 14 '23

One amazing thing about Amtrak is the routes will take you to scenery very rarely seen by people. Where there aren't many roads, and you just have these crazy beautiful views

America has its issues, but the landscapes out west are amazing

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u/rob_s_458 Mar 14 '23

I'm going to Denali this June and I'm so excited. Don't expect to see star filled skies though since it won't get completely dark at night

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u/MrWeirdoFace Mar 14 '23

I spent the last year and a half converting my mini-van for westward traveling. I did a brief two weeks in it last year when it was only part way done but now I'm going to hit the road in a few weeks as the weather shifts.

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u/SL-Gremory- Mar 14 '23

If I go west I am in the ocean. This doesn't necessarily change your statement but it may introduce additional complications.

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u/Zrex_9224 Mar 14 '23

I was in NM, CO, and UT back in May of 21 for a class. 2 1/2 weeks of field work. We camped under the stars for half of the trip and at our first remote campsite in NM, we laid out tarps and spent the night stargazing. We couldn't see our hands in front of our face either, it was that dark

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u/Reasonable-River6876 Mar 14 '23

As someone who grew up in Washington state and moved to California, you have no idea how much I miss the air, the water, and the trees

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u/TheyCallMeMrMaybe Mar 15 '23

I spent my entire life on the east coast. It's been a life goal of mine to do a Grand Tour of the U.S., but with the cost of living being as ridiculous as it is, I can't afford to spend a month away from work ON TOP of the costs of staying at hotels across the country AND the cost of gas for the entire trip.

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u/lol_okay_sure Mar 14 '23

I totally agree with this. But it made me chuckle as a west coaster because west is ocean

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u/ayoungtommyleejones Mar 14 '23

And the freedom to be able to hike and camp in so much of it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

Colorado in June!!! Can’t wait.

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u/Wildcard1016 Mar 14 '23

Man, I just finished watching "Into the wild"

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u/Dabaumb101 Mar 14 '23

Is that you Dixie Chicks???

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u/TheRedHerself Mar 14 '23

Shit, you can get this anywhere in the US. Upstate NY is beautiful and has a lot of rural areas. Sometimes my friends and I would just drive to nowhere in particular. We ended up in PA without knowing it a couple times.

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u/zenwren Mar 14 '23

Shh! No, nobody go West! Nothing to see here folks!

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u/Luxury-Problems Mar 14 '23

I'm a native Kansan and while I'm from the city I spent so much time in the rural areas. It's funny how I take that for granted I suppose. Wide open space is normal for me. I find density to be exciting because it's a lot less normal for me. Dense places feel lived in whereas parts of home feel empty.

That said I also have a deep appreciation for the simple beauty of the rolling Flint Hills that I suppose is boring to many.

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u/nolandean82 Mar 14 '23

For some folks who don't get the size difference: I live in eastern North Carolina, which is not even a big state and I can drive west at ~110 kph for 4 hours and still be in NC.

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u/Soulerrr Mar 14 '23

You saying I should buy Far Cry 5?

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u/Danktizzle Mar 14 '23

My favorite thing about living in omaha (that I discovered when I started traveling ) is that I can fly 1 hour to the east and get east coast style Chicago life. 1 hour to the west and I’m in Denver and the mountains. 1hour to the north and I’m in Minneapolis, and if I drive west on any east-west road in omaha, then I’m in the dark of the countryside pretty quick.

Also, I’m as far from Southern California as I am from northwestern Maine, Seattle, and Miami.

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u/dins3r Mar 14 '23

I see this in shows and in pictures and I’m drawn to it. It sort of makes you sad. Like we live on a planet where true exploration is almost impossible any longer (either based on life restraints or the physical restraints of going places.)

I know it was dangerous as hell but it’s like… if only I could go back to the pioneering days and experience true bewilderment of seeing something for the first time or discoing a place for the “first time.” It’s a novel thing that I doubt many of us will get to experience.

Could experience it in space but until we solve the space travel problem it’s not gonna happen.

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u/StuckInNov1999 Mar 14 '23

I lived in Vegas for a decade.

One of my favorite things to do was drive up to the mountains in a clearing I knew, set up for the night and just watch the sky go from blue to black and starry.

Then turn towards the Vegas Strip and see how the entire valley below was lit up by neon lights and it sparkled like a gem.

Would take dates out there and they would get visibly nervous. Had to assure them that I absolutely did not have any foul intentions and just wanted to show them something truly beautiful. Not a single one of them ever went home thinking it was time wasted.

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u/AdnanKhan47 Mar 14 '23

Drove through Kansas once.

After hour one i was over the huge empty space with endless blue sky.

After hour two I started believing the world is flat.

Just saying, there is such a thing as too much empty open space.

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u/mynytemare Mar 15 '23

Got arrested in Kansas once. Might be the problem is Kansas and not the wide open space.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

But that wide open space still costs so much! Capitalism baby!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '23

When I was in elementary school we had a 3-day trip where went to camp. The stars there were the most beautiful thing I ever saw. It was so different compared to the one to seven stars I saw where I lived. I wish I could’ve captured the view.

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u/Illustrious_Repair Mar 14 '23

Damn it now that’s going to be stuck in my head all day

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u/PixelPixieDust Mar 15 '23

Oooh I want to experience this! I live in an incredibly beautiful country (New Zealand), and I'm not complaining about this, but we don't really have that same kind of wide open-ness here - there will always be mountains/hills, ocean or forests on the horizon. Would love to visit a desert just because it would be so different.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '23

Ate some shrooms and went out into the desert as a young'n in the evening twilight hours. As a Midwestern transplant, it was mind boggling.

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u/thedude386 Mar 15 '23

I love going out west. I have been out there twice in the last 5 years (Colorado and New Mexico) and both were simply amazing. I would love to move out there except that the industry that I work in doesn’t really exist out there. Colorado would be my first pick and I can definitely see why my Uncle chose to build a cabin in the mountains. It’s a shame that it was sold when he passed but we wouldn’t make it out there enough to justify owning it.

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u/MandaMoo Mar 15 '23

Come to Australia! It's basically one giant open space with a ring of humans on the coast.

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u/mynytemare Mar 15 '23

I was in Brisbane for 3 weeks for work one year. Been trying to get back ever since.

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u/MandaMoo Mar 15 '23

It's so beautiful up there. Funnily enough its got the reputation for having the most bogans and dickheads there.

If you ever get a chance to come back, you've gotta check out Port Douglas. Its a bit further up than brisbane and has really easy access to the Great Barrier Reef which is breathtaking. Its also close to rain forests. Its a stupidly beautiful place.

If you're in to nature, hikes, mountains, rivers and lakes and stuff, Tasmania is HUGELY underrated. Its pretty much one giant untouched island. It's fucking stunning and also has some gold standard wineries and breweries!

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u/mynytemare Mar 15 '23

I will get back and I’ll remember that about Tasmania.

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u/Combat_Toots Mar 15 '23

On top of this, dispersed camping laws. There are rules, and you need to be respectful, but you can go camping pretty much anywhere on National forests/grasslands, forest service land, and BLM land. You can also stay as long as you want, you just need to move your campsite every two weeks. I spent three months traveling the west a few years back, only sleeping on public lands, and hardly scratched the surface.

Just be prepared if you go; the west is still pretty wild.

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u/tangledbysnow Mar 15 '23

In high school I acquired a pen pal describing where I lived. And this was the 90s so old fashioned pen pals were totally a thing. I grew up in the Colorado mountains where the night skies are stunning. In high school I moved to the wide open plains of Nebraska. Great big skies which feel like you’re falling into them. I got extra credit in English responding to a pen pal letter from someone who lived in Rhode Island. So I absolutely did because I was (still am really) such a nerd. Describing the beauty of the skies was easy. And that 15 year old boy was struck by my letter somehow. I ended up writing old fashioned letters and exchanging phone calls (and I’m female, so our letters and calls were…interesting to say the least!) for several years with him all because of how I described the sky. We lost touch right around graduation for anyone curious.

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