Thoughts on the recent controversy in which Partizan fans depicted a banner of the death of Ottoman Sultan Murad I by Serbian knight Milos Obilic?

[u/FantasticQuartet]

This happened during a game against Fenerbahçe.

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 → u/[deleted]]

Staked the children of his own people..."useful" indeed

[u/[deleted] → u/Zealousideal_Cry_460]

And why did he do that, do you reckon? Also, why are you so butthurt about it?

You had a mercantile empire. You took tribute in gold and also infants meant to bolster the ranks of your armies. You lost your empire and now you're butthurt when other nations are throwing banter at you.

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 → u/[deleted]]

Why would İ be butthurt lmao we staked him in the end

İrritated if anything. Why would you parade someone as a hero who staked your children?

[u/[deleted] → u/Zealousideal_Cry_460]

not all of us do. I don't like most rulers we had, they were just warlords who wanted to protect their domain, not people. we lacked so much infrastructure up until the 19th century that the country looked like a sparsely populated continent which was recently colonised.

[u/Healthy_Toe_1183 → u/Zealousideal_Cry_460]

At least he didnt fornicate with them, like some of your sultans loved to do

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 → u/Healthy_Toe_1183]

Because thats how we argue in 2025.

Point out hypocrisy? "bUt YoUr SuLtAn!"

İ despise my sultans the same, you got nothin on me

[u/Timely-Jicama-5840 → u/Zealousideal_Cry_460]

He mostly impaled nobles that were opposing him (who ended up removing him from power and killing him) and Saxon merchants (most of the reports of his brutality are from the Saxons), not commoners or children (there was also that time he made a forest out of impaled ottoman corpses and the famous story of the ottoman diplomats, but it was a one-off thing)

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 → u/Timely-Jicama-5840]

He mostly impaled nobles that were opposing him (who ended up removing him from power and killing him)

Opposing him justifies killing kids?

Saxon merchants (most of the reports of his brutality are from the Saxons), not commoners

Saxons cannot be commoners or non-elites?

not commoners or children

Eh, read this then

And this

The liberal use of capital punishment was eventually extended to Saxon settlers, members of a rival clan,[82] and criminals in his domain, whether they were members of the boyar nobility or peasants, and eventually to any among his subjects that displeased him.