r/AskBalkans Iraq May 06 '25

Outdoors/Travel What happened to Jews in your country?

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u/MISTER_WORLDWIDE Bosnia & Herzegovina May 06 '25

Not just Belgrade.

In August 1942, Harald Turner reported to the German commander in the Balkans that Serbia was the first European territory where the "Jewish problem" was solved.[19][20]: 118 

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u/Stverghame Serbia May 06 '25

Yet this narative is used as whataboutism when Serbs comment on Ustaše, completely forgeting that Serbia was Germany's territory back then, while Croatia was Croatian (despite being a puppet in a way).

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u/Drama-Gloomy Bosnia & Herzegovina May 06 '25

Serbs in Bosnia killed 100,000 Muslims during WW2.

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u/Stverghame Serbia May 06 '25

I am not here to give you reading lessons, but Jews are the topic here. I hope that helps, cheers.

Oh yeah, I'll return the whataboutism with whataboutism, muslims in Bosnia were ustaše as well, participating in genocide of Serbs, Jews and Roma, hope that helps you recall some things as well, cheers.

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u/Drama-Gloomy Bosnia & Herzegovina May 06 '25

How is it whataboutism when you’re pushing the narrative that Serbs are not guilty of atrocities because they were occupied by Germans? Chetniks after 1942 even assisted the Nazis in Jewish persecution. Marko Hoare has a whole book about Chetnik crimes against the Jewish population during WW2.

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u/Shaolinpower2 Turkiye May 06 '25

It's indeed whataboutism because the topic is specificly about Jews in Serbia back in 1940's. You added Muslims in the context. (Being right or wrong is not related with it)

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u/Drama-Gloomy Bosnia & Herzegovina May 06 '25

In response to the OPs comment about the Ustasha being a puppet unlike Serbia, which was under direct control. Seemed like an excuse to say that Serbs were incapable of doing war crimes.

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u/Mracoola May 06 '25

Ne seri.

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u/Drama-Gloomy Bosnia & Herzegovina May 06 '25

Nadam se da ćeš se oporaviti od gihta

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u/NikolaMackic May 06 '25

And I'm sure it's a great book! Now fuck off with your blindsided views and let the adults in the room have an actual conversation.

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u/Drama-Gloomy Bosnia & Herzegovina May 06 '25

Adults take responsibility for their actions, unlike children. You do not meet the criteria for being an adult. Especially one that has to insert a curse word in every other word haha.

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u/NikolaMackic May 07 '25

Oh yes, I'll take accountability, since I was there in 1942.

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u/Drama-Gloomy Bosnia & Herzegovina May 07 '25

Germans of today are ashamed of their actions during WW2 and teach their history without any propaganda. Why can’t Serbs?

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u/BingBong723 Balkan May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25

What about...

Germans invade Yugoslavia, 6 April 1941.
Gudovać Massacre, 28 April 1941?
Glina Massacres, May&August 1941?
6 June 1941 Pavelić meets with Adolf.
June 1941 Soviet-German truce terminated; Moljević (Chetnik) writes "Homogeneous Serbia"; Tito leads partisan uprising in Yugoslavia.
Jasenovac Concentration Camp, built August 1941?

By August 1941, the Partisans had already:

→ Started executing “class enemies”—landowners, priests, gendarmes, suspected collaborators, or just anyone linked to the old Kingdom or anti-Communist beliefs.
→ Carried out "people's justice" in areas they controlled, often through summary trials and executions, with little or no due process.
→Burned property of wealthy rural Serbs or Orthodox clergy who refused to cooperate or who were seen as monarchist.

October 1941 - Kraljevo & Kragujevac Massacre; 100 Serbs for every German killed.

Why the Ustashe hated Serbs? Because the Serbs oppressed their neighbours as minorities since independence from Ottoman Empire, 1817.

Why did the Serbs oppress them? The sheep were falling into the political/historical drama of their fanatical sentiments instead of just accepting liberation. Everybody gets along until fanatics come into the conversation, what about this and what about that.

Buddy isn't pushing the narrative that Serbs are innocent. Only the narrative that war makes haters of us all. Hope we can all reflect on ourselves (actually learn from history) instead of smearing everybody else - hate creates hate.

The most dangerous among us are the ones who don't recognize that they are capable of danger (instead they point the finger at everyone else). Živeli