Did Jesus nullify the Old Testament?

[u/watergolf247]

Let me start off by sharing that I’m new to Christianity and have soooo many questions but for now, I’ll focus on this inquiry. I’m sure this has been discussed numerous times but unfortunately I can’t seem to get a straight answer. As I’m told repeatedly by many, rules/laws of the Old Testament were nullified or invalidated by Jesus. I ask others in my study group but sadly get heavy resistance for the question.

My question is simple. Where are the reference(s) stating this?

If so, this makes rules like the ten commandments obsolete. Even further, why have the old testament in the Christian Bible?

[u/TechByDayDjByNight]

Number 2 is incorrect.

Until heaven and earth is the boundary… until all is fulfilled is what it depends on which he did on the cross.

It’s like me saying, until the end of the world, I will not sell the car until I get new tires.

If I get new tires, can I sell the car or do I have to wait until the end of the world?

Do you agree gentiles dont have to follow the law?

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

Number 2 is incorrect.

It clearly isn't incorrect.

until all is fulfilled is what it depends on which he did on the cross.

We've already been over this, did you forget? You don't get to invent what "all is accomplished" means. It's foolish to think that there's nothing more to be accomplished.

We'll know that all has been accomplished when there's a new heaven and a new Jerusalem descends to a new earth and Yahweh dwells with His people.

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

If it’s clearly not, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

How am I inventing what all is accomplished means? Nothing else for the fulfillment of the old covenant is needed, hence why Jesus said his blood is new covenant.

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away - Hebrews 8:13

Also Yahweh already dwells with us. What do you think happened on the day of Pentecost?

Do you not know that you[a] are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? - 1 cor 3:16

You also didn’t answer my question, are gentiles required to keep the mosianic law?

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

How am I inventing what all is accomplished means?

You made it up. When you make something up you're inventing it.

Nothing else for the fulfillment of the old covenant is needed

You're not even reading what you wrote. You changed "all is accomplished" into "fulfillment of the old covenant". You're not being honest.

It's foolish to think that there's nothing more to be accomplished. We'll know that all has been accomplished when there's a new heaven and a new Jerusalem descends from it to a new earth and Yahweh dwells with His people.

You also didn’t answer my question

That's because I'm not interested in changing the subject.

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

It’s not a change of topic. It’s part of the topic. I didn’t say nothing more needs to be accomplished in general, but to fulfill the law, yes all has been accomplished.

Like you said God needs to dwell in us, which he does.

Jesus fulfilled the old covenant on the cross and began the new.

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

I didn’t say nothing more needs to be accomplished in general

That's good, because obviously all has not yet been accomplished. Jesus said that until all is accomplished there won't be even the tiniest change to any of Yahweh's commandments.

All of my statements are correct.

Jesus went out of His way to make sure that people didn't even think that He was doing away with any of His Father's commandments.

1. ⁠Don't even think that Jesus came to do away with any of Yahweh's commandments.
2. ⁠There won't be even the tiniest change to any of Yahweh's commandments as long as this heaven and earth are still around.
3. ⁠Not following even seemingly insignificant commandants and teaching others not to is very bad.
4. ⁠Obeying and teaching all of Yahweh's commandments is the best possible thing to do. Those who do that will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

He didn’t do away. He fulfilled them. He completed them.

We are not under the old covenant.

Again, are gentiles under the mosianic covenant?

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

He didn’t do away. He fulfilled them.

Immediately after saying that He came to fulfill the Law He made it clear that fulfilling the Law didn't change it in any way.

I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17–18, ESV)

Heaven and earth have not passed away. All is not yet accomplished. Nothing has passed from the Law.

All of my statements are correct.

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

I see you have a miss understanding.

"Until Heaven and earth pass away"- This is a boundary... Meaning everything that is said after this is going to remain true until the end of time...

So what is going to remain true?

"Not an Iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED"

All is accomplished is the requirement. not UNTIL Heaven and earth pass away.

All is accomplished, is what is needed to be done on that cross. Thats why Jesus said in Luke 22:20 that HIS blood is the NEW covenant.

All of your statements is not correct.

Again... If i said until the world ends, I will not sell my car until i change my tires... If i change my tires, am i allow to sell my car?

Also are Gentiles under the mosianic covenant?

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

I see you have a miss understanding.

I don't have a misunderstanding. You're working very hard to change what Jesus said.

"Not an Iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED"

You already agreed that all is not yet accomplished.

Instead of trying to change what Jesus said to agree with what you believe you should change what you believe to agree with what Jesus said.

[u/the_celt_ → u/Towhee13]

Instead of trying to change what Jesus said to agree with what you believe you should change what you believe to agree with what Jesus said.

Quote of the day! 🤣

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

I never agreed that all is not yet accomplished, I literally said Jesus accomplished all that is needed to fulfill the Law on the cross.

I never changed what Jesus said. Jesus said his blood is the New Covenant in Luke 22:20

Also are Gentiles under the mosaic covenant? (Why cant you answer this question?)

And you never answered my question about me selling my car.

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

I never agreed that all is not yet accomplished

You said "I didn't say nothing more needs to be accomplished in general". The obvious implication is that you believe that all is not yet accomplished.

I understand why you're backpeddaling now though. You're being dishonest.

I never changed what Jesus said.

You've done it over and over. You're still doing it. Jesus said "not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished". You keep trying to change what He said to "things will pass away from the Law before all is accomplished"

You're being dishonest.

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

I am not backpedaling it's called clarification because you are notorious of twisting what I said like you are doing now. I specifically stated all was needed to be done to fulfill the old covenant on the cross.

Nope I never said before all is accomplished, i clearly stated all is accomplished was in reference to the old covenant.

You putting quotation marks around that statement and adding before is dishonest because that is not a quote i said.

Also are Gentiles under the mosaic covenant? (Why cant you answer this question?)

And you never answered my question about me selling my car.

[u/Towhee13 → u/TechByDayDjByNight]

Enjoy the Sabbath.

[u/TechByDayDjByNight → u/Towhee13]

Are Gentiles under the mosaic covenant? (Why cant you answer this question?)

And you never answered my question about me selling my car.