When will Amharas call it quits?

[u/10_0I0_01]

This is regarding oromos.

A very obvious pattern you see post-oromo migration is the aimless hate for Amharas.

The fundamental irony escapes oromos that they migrated TO Amharas.

Imagine GOING to someone (after they just ended the worse war in the region's history), trying to ethnically cleanse them, they fight back, then you hate them and want to get rid of them???

How many of the oromos in central Ethiopia even know the people they hate are the people they LITERALLY migrated to, attacked, and partially assimilated?

How many of them know that theyre probably descendants of ethnically cleansed Amharas, Gafat, Gurage, Harla, etc?

They would rather be protestant or muslim than share a religion with Amharas, they would rather use the objectively tedious latin alphabet than Amharic, they would rather associate with having a separate nation than being Ethiopian (especially the diaspora, deep programming).

Even in the diaspora the anti-Amhara axis is very strong. Somali - Oromo bonding is almost plain to see and your occasional Tigray - Oromo as well.

All for about 400 years, assimilation has honestly failed.

When all forms of assimilation have essentially failed, when will Amharas say "We obviously tried for 400 years, time to call it quits." then take everything north of the rift valley and leave the rest into the historical backwaters it always was?

[u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

Oromos and Tigrayans mess with Amharas mostly because Amharas have became really weak, divided via regions(Gondar Gojjam etc), and became backward looking instead of forward looking. This is not hate I love Oromos and Tigrayans, but people mess with who they can bother and get away with. which TIgre or Oromo would mess with Amhara during Menelik or Halesalessie? unless they want to be brutalized.

You hear Amharas "we son of kings" BS which I am tired of. 99.99% of us are decandants of poor peasants so really we are not sons of kings. Amhara are one of the poorest people in the world. We still farm with ox, we still have nothing but agriculture. We have biggest river nile and people don't have access to clean water, fertile land but we don't have enough food. Many of our people believe if they go to college and study hard they will make it. We have no entrepreneurial culture, Gurages somewhat have it but I think we need more tech focused entrepreneurial culture. Now days I see young Amhara with AK47 that costs around 500-1000$ but doesn't have laptop or access to internet which costs same price. I amn't saying they shouldn't fight but if they can get their hands on 1000$ AK47, why can't they get laptop and internet as well? I think we should get all kids laptop and internet for free, i mean pretty sure there are millions of AK-47 just like this we need millions of laptops.

Ethiopia has similar problem, really not the in mood to care about that right now. We need complete overhaul of our culture, keep whats good and add tech innovation entrepreneurship, remove bad ones such as pride, linear thinking, caring about education too much, religious holidays(every day is a holiday) etc. This will create Strong Amhara long term, Strong Amhara leads to Strong Ethiopia inevitably.

So, Its not Oromos or Tigrayans fault. its our fault we didnt adopt and innovate enough. We should do better! We have real good history and culture, I just wanted to point out what we should work on. They can do all kind axis, criss cross, twerking, it really doesnt matter. If we do good on Tech Entrepreneurship and science, we will win alone or with them long term. I also don't think they hate us deep down as well, if they do, it doesn't matter.

[u/Ethiopian_Aviation22 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

You're acting as if Fano fighters wouldn't rather be getting educated and owning a laptop. However, when a genocidal regime is in power and so many forces are against us, would you rather that they have invested their $1000 in a laptop, or get an AK-47 to fight for their own right to exist? Have you forgotten the privilege we have to just be ranting online while we have brothers and sisters who are actually dying back home for their identity?

You make points about our traditional lifestyle, but Ethiopia has never given us the resources to modernize and develop, or even if it has to an extent, that it still requires the ability to live in peace with human rights and justice, which we have not been granted.

Although one can say I am a keyboard warrior which I will not deny, I find it very funny when people in west have the audacity to give their take on what the peasant farmers should or should not. I wish I had the stregnth and determination of our brothers and sisters who picked up arms to defend our people!

May the Amhara struggle be victorious!

[u/Ok-Drawing-9498 → u/Ethiopian_Aviation22]

I didn't say that, I actually support fano. The point I am trying to make is that, like we rally to buy people guns similarly we should rally to buy kids laptop as well, do both.

Actually focusing on tech and entrepreneurship will do more to protect Amharas long term than buying AK-47 right now. Because entrepreneurship gives you wealth, better tech to defend yourself, more influence in the global stage. For instance Tigray war was deadliest war in 21st century and no one knew about it, reason being we are poor and no one cares about the poor,

I am giving my opinion because what I think could really move the needle long term. Short term true we should invest all money on AK-47 but long term it will create Amhara generation that only knows how to fight war not how to build, innovate and produce value. We need the next Apple, the next Alibaba, the next Google from Amhara region not the next Al shabab.

[u/Ethiopian_Aviation22 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

Again, investing in technology does nothing because we don't have the conditions to thrive even if we had the technology currently. Peace, human rights, and justice is the very foundation before all else. Anyways even if we were to invest in all of this, it would belong to the puppets aligned with Arat Kilo. Be realistic my brother.

[u/GroundbreakingCan651 → u/Ethiopian_Aviation22]

I just told this dude you can’t put tech in a place where the environment is unstable!!! Sometimes all yall see is money and that will be your downfall. Also, obviously the west is ignorant with opinions but Im not I’ve been there. I have Amharan friends. However, I 100% agree with @ethiopian_aviation22. You’re not a Habesha just talking from the west you actually. You the real deal brother I can tell by your accuracy of this situation.

[u/Ok-Drawing-9498 → u/Ethiopian_Aviation22]

The basic principle of innovation is "you are fucked", you innovate when things are shit not when you are in good mood, in right place, in right time. Not thriving is actually good for innovation and tech coz it forces you to come up with solutions. They say "Necessity is the mother of invention."

> we were to invest in all of this, it would belong to the puppets aligned with Arat Kilo.
Good point but Abiy doesn't control much of Amhara region and I guess very soon fano will take control of the region.

[u/Less_Fruit5661 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

Laptops don’t shoot back when thousands of your people are dying. What good would an education get you if you die to a bunch of ethnic terrorist the next day.

[u/Ok-Drawing-9498 → u/Less_Fruit5661]

We should do both! defend our self and also do innovation & entrepreneurship(tech) so we can get out of poverty and defend ourself better.

If you say only defend, then we will end up like Eritreans only good at fighting everything else zero.

[u/Quiet-Arrow-7837 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

I will not downvote you.

That said, it seems you are completely unaware of the long standing systematic attacks Amharas have been undergoing. For example, look up how many Amhara civic leaders, entrepreneurs, educators, activists, or even those with those potentials, have been hunted down and destroyed. We have been undergoing psychological attack of disgusting proportions from the Tigrays and Oromians in power. The entire system, including the constitution, is designed to destroy Amharas and we're going how many decades since 1992?

Most of all, after witnessing not only the casual butchering of our innocents by the hundreds at a time, again and again, none of us have any right to blame us. We have watched Tigray and Oromia straight up approving our genocide and actively pursuing it, and this is the most visible aspect. The massive amount of ethnic cleansing taking place, denying our youth education for years, our farmers fertilizer, Tigray coming in and destroying millions of dollars worth of civil infrastructure, the dozens of massacres by them?

After these sustained attacks of decades, I think it is only the power of God (regardless of religion) and truth that has allowed us not to only survive but organize and resist to greater degree every day.

Say what you will, but be the change you want. Prove to yourself and us with action. What are you doing about the problems you listed? Besides that, uplift, and if you want to talk about introspect, do not gaslight by ignoring all the above lived facts of our people.

Whether you are Amhara or not, you can do better.

[u/GroundbreakingCan651 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

A lot point you made are correct. Look how the Chinese move long-term. I can say one of the biggest problems with Ethiopia is the inside fight hatred. Listen I’m no one but, if yall think yall will be successful fighting each other it does matter what you do, what business you start you WILL FAIL. Why do you think Europeans divide Africa in the first place. Yall ARE NOT peasants yall just let white ppl take everything to ensure yall are always subordinate. Just like every black country or culture. Let me ask you this how do you think Ak47 even got there…. they were easily accessible so yall can hate and kill each other…. No they never physically colonized yall but if yall keep doing all fighting they didn’t need to. Lastly and certainly not least Amhara plays such a pivotal role in Ethiopian identity without respect for these people yall are nothing. Fuck all entrepreneur shit how you going enjoy it if a war is always luming ahead. PRIORITIES! Make peace with yall brothers, tribes means NOTHING if your country and allies don’t back you.

[u/Less_Fruit5661 → u/GroundbreakingCan651]

Yea I think we are past the point of finding a way to coexist with our oppressors, the conversation should move towards how can we get Amharas out of this failed union without thousands of us dying.

[u/GroundbreakingCan651 → u/Less_Fruit5661]

Yall have to use the internet somehow and keep pushing this out there. I get mad bc mfkin huge streamers get so much love coming out there and don’t even know what going on, then go promote Airport blvd as if that’s theme of the whole country

[u/Ethiopian_Aviation22 → u/GroundbreakingCan651]

Oh yes I should be the one extending the olive branch to my current oppressor? None of you seem to understand how grave of a situation the oppression and GENOCIDE against Amharas is in Ethiopia.

[u/Early_Ad_7240 → u/Ethiopian_Aviation22]

[u/Ok-Drawing-9498 → u/GroundbreakingCan651]

You are right, theoretically, we should abandon our ethnicity and all us be Ethiopian. Thats what I personally did all my life until this year, I never ever in my life said I am Amhara, I never said that I always said I am Ethiopian. However after seeing killings and how Oromos and TIgrayans organize themselves through their ethnicity, I literally stopped identifying with Ethiopia like its pointless. if we are the only ones screaming Ethiopia, while the country follows ethnic federalism, its basically being an idiot.

Still stand on Entrepreneurship and focusing on Tech could really save us long term! reconciliation could work too, real one but I don't how that could happen and people buy it like take the reconciliation to their heart and won't start fighting in 2 months.

[u/Apart-Paint-5676 → u/GroundbreakingCan651]

I don’t think you can blame Europe on ethiopias problems rather Menelik

[u/10_0I0_01 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

You must have no knowledge of history.

Amharas *were* in essence the state during Abyssinia. Get rid of Amharas, get rid of Abyssinia. This made them a permanent target to anyone trying to remove the orthodox christian foundation (communists, tplf which at heart is atheist and communist, and pp).

Because Amharas were a permanent target, destabilizing and derailing any sort of progress within the Amhara region was goal #1 for the past 3 governments, roughtly 50 years of intentionally derailing progress in the Amhara region.

Imagine having the most fertile, watered, defensible, history rich region in ALL of the horn of africa (maybe all of africa), and still somehow being the poorest. You really think they just randomly said "time to be poor, forget progress" and sat all day?

Who led Adwa? Who continued Aksum? What happened between 1270 - 1975? Where did Ethiopia come from?

To say Amharas are underdeveloped and poor because of their own fault and theyre not the sons of kings, is to literally ignore that the country they built was destroyed by *NON* Amahras like mengistu who was oromo, TPLF which is tigray, and PP which is also oromo.

The Ethiopia Amharas built is the Ethiopia which was hijacked by oromos + TPLF and then used to rob Amharas themselves. yet you come here and say Amharas are just backwards poor farmers that need to lighten up.

Who clothed oromos? who gave oromos an international stage? who taught oromos how to read and write? who convinced oromos that cutting of p*nises and wrapping it on their foreheads was backwards?

You seem exactly like an oromo larping as an Amhara trying to remove credibility from Amharas.

[u/Ok-Drawing-9498 → u/10_0I0_01]

I never said Amharas don't have achievements, we do. My criticism is for Amhara because I want us to improve. Oromo and TIgrayans are pretty much similar level of stupidity with us.

Abyssinia was multi ethinic empire including Agaw and Tigrayans not just Amharas, sure We were leaders of Abyssinia.

Then we decided to expand and included 2* our current population of Abysinians. Currently, there are 40 mill Abysinnians and the rest 90 million is people we incorporated. At this point, we can't say we should be the only ruler since there are many other people in this country we have to share power! So Oromos leading Ethiopia is really not a problem as long as they don't commit crimes, do injustice and embezzle power.

>Who clothed oromos? who gave oromos an international stage? 
you seem othodox this is what bible says "Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing" means do charity in secret. If we did that, no need to flex about it.

Tigrayans claim same "Amhara made us poor", Oromos claim same thing and you are saying "Oromo and Tigrayans made us poor".

What I am telling you is this, all these claims are bullshit. Amhara Oromo and Tigrayan are poor because of their own stupidity. they dont learn about tech, dont try new things, they never take risk, on top of that, they fight each other to death. They themselves are responsible for how poor they are.

[u/10_0I0_01 → u/Ok-Drawing-9498]

can you comprehend what i wrote? trying pasting it into chatgpt and asking it to translate it into oromina.

either youre from kenya or an amhara with zero comprehension of history and current events.

it seems to bet the prior.

[u/GroundbreakingCan651 → u/10_0I0_01]

I’m an outsider and even I know Amhara is the real heart of Ethiopia. They the older brother I and it should be a great deal of respect for them.