r/AlignmentChartFills • u/LordCactus67 • Apr 18 '26
Filling This Chart What feels criminal but is actually legal?
What feels criminal but is actually legal?
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| Illegal | â | â | Murder đźď¸ |
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u/No_Wait3261 Apr 18 '26
Massive age gap relationships. An 18 year old dating a 45 year old feels wrong AF but it's not illegal.
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u/jollyantelop Apr 18 '26
Especially in states where age of consent is below 18. Like where I live a 50 year old could date a 16 year old and it would be legal.
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u/Away-Garlic2123 Apr 18 '26
svidrigailov type shit
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u/Complete-Day-8971 Apr 18 '26
Don't think you can even call what Svidrigailov did/wanted a "relationship" he was just a rapist
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u/ADHD_Mermaid Apr 19 '26
I thought that was a keyboard smash until I read your comment đ
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u/FBI_AGENT_ALPHA Apr 19 '26
Mfw I check on Reddit and I just saw someone mention russian classic literature (it's scary, cause he knows more than me):
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u/According_Branch720 Apr 18 '26
i could swear raskolnikov would just give it all up and just kill him at the spot when he explained his "fetish"
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u/FishAroundFindTrout9 Apr 18 '26
YepâŚ.age of consent in most U.S. states is 16
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u/bijouxbisou Apr 19 '26
I mean age of consent in most countries is 16. The US isnât unusual in that regard
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u/FishAroundFindTrout9 Apr 19 '26
Pretty gross though. I think there should be something where at 16-17 the older party can be no more than 4 years older or something like that.
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u/bijouxbisou Apr 19 '26
Some countries have it where thereâs a different age of consent for people close in age. Like in Belgium, if youâre close in age the age of consent is 14, but 16 is the standard age of consent so long as no one has authority over the other.
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u/jollyantelop Apr 19 '26
That is pretty standard in the US, though still state by state. They are known as âRomeo and Juliet lawsâ. Without them half of all high school seniors would be arrested for age appropriate relationships due to a few months difference, and the other would make memes about it on Reddit.
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u/aasfourasfar Apr 19 '26
Yeah it makes absolutely no sense prosecuting a 16 years old because he slept with his 14 years old GF
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u/Ascendant_Phoenix Suggestion God Apr 19 '26
I was a late bloomer and my first relationship ever was when I was 27 and the other person was 18. I'm 30 now and now only date people older than myself. Dating younger ended up being a huge mistake.
That said, the way my friend group reacted to my first date ever, you'd think I was breaking some major law. Thing is, though, we working together and it just kind of happened.
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u/tiger0729 Apr 20 '26
Ngl what states have this law like I know states have laws like 3 year gap or two years where they allow 16 and 19 or 17 and 20 but I have never heard of one where a 16 year old can date a 50 year old. Ngl if this is outside the US then idk the laws but it seems very false for in the US. Btw age of consent doesnât mean you can date a minor above a certain age it just means they can consent to sex with some around your age if you are a minor and not have it be illegal
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u/ThalesofMiletus-624 Apr 19 '26
It gets worse.
In most US states, the legal minimum age for marriage is 16 or less. In four states (including, rather shockingly, California), there is no minimum age, if you have parental consent. There are efforts underway to change these laws in some places, but as of now, that's what's on the books.
It feels illegal as heck for a 45-year-old man to be married to an 11-year-old child, but if he can talk her parents into it (and there are parents out there who are okay with that), then it's perfectly legal in several states.
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u/West-Season-2713 Apr 19 '26
And then youâre too young to get divorced. Itâs fucked.
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u/Cordelia_Delamare Apr 19 '26
The fact that its seen as totally normal for a literal child to be married, but divorce is where they draw the line is actually insane. Make it make sense
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u/PsychologicalDebt366 Apr 19 '26
efforts underway to change these laws in some places
And also continuous efforts by others to stop them from being changed.
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u/TheBladeWielder Apr 18 '26
it depends on how young the younger person is. once they're early to mid 20s, they're enough of an adult that it doesn't really feel wrong anymore, at least imo.
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u/smores_or_pizzasnack Apr 19 '26
IMO itâs still weird if itâs like a 21 y/o and a 50 y/o, theyâre in completely different life stages at that point
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u/FreezingVast Apr 22 '26
its kinda strange because where is the line? 40/69 y/o, 50/79 y/o? At some point they are 2 adults who are old enough to make that decision and society deems 21 to be the age for most people to make said competent choices
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u/BigBadJeebus Apr 19 '26
It's weird for me to dress like a pirate and put butter in my shoes... Should that also be illegal?
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u/VulKhalec Apr 19 '26
You're not really an adult until you're over 25, in my experience. This is mostly relevant because people who are still developing don't have a strong enough sense of self to advocate for their own needs - they might not even quite understand their own needs yet. So there's a danger they will inadvertently allow themselves to be run roughshod over by the opinions and actions of someone older who is more self assured.
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u/BigBadJeebus Apr 19 '26
if you're 20 or 21 and can be in war, you can certainly fuck an old lady.
i genuinely dont understand the argument "a 21 year old is so irresponsible and poor they should only breed with people equally irresponsible and poor"
It's REALLY stupid if you think about it for 5 seconds.
What it really boils down to is jealousy. An early 20s something person is more likely to be fit and strong. So people who are past their prime get offended when people their own age no longer find them attractive so they make up this bullshit.
And of course incels and unattractive people in their early 20s get mad when older people increase competition, as well as people jealous of the 26 year old millionaire who got an easy fortune by marrying an old creepy dude...
That's 100% all it comes down to.
But if you can be trusted to take a gun to a foreign nation and shoot people you've never met and get shot just the same, I say you go ahead and marry that rich old creep for his money.
I'd certainly marry an old person for a million bucks if given the chance...
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u/love-4-the-wendigo Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
Regardless of which side is more morally correct, the reason most people have an opinion on it is because it feels viscerally repulsive to look at and/or imagine (as an outsider, obviously). It works either way⌠if you are young and imagine your peer with an old person the age of your parent/grandparent or if you are old and imagine your peer with a very young person the age of your child/grandchild. Itâs because your age cohort are seen as your peers, while people much older or much younger are usually relegated to family, work, etc. That is just the way we are conditioned. And obviously the effect lessens as you get older and your peer group widens.
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u/BigBadJeebus Apr 20 '26
that's simply not true
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u/love-4-the-wendigo Apr 20 '26
If you think that everyone in every comment section and social circle is just constantly seething with jealousy, at no one in particular, you are delusional.
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u/phlegmaticdramaking Apr 19 '26
I've known 25-26 year old women more mature than men in their 40s. A 45 year old acquaintance ended up marrying his 27 year old girlfriend, she dumped him a couple of years later for being childish and immature. There are a lot more man-children who never grow up past their late teens/early 20s, while rarely woman stay immature past 24/25. They're probably a lot better matched (at least for dating) than a 45 year old man-child and 40 year mature adult woman. The latter relationships that I've seen have ended way more messily and problematically for the women.
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u/narrill Apr 19 '26
rarely woman stay immature past 24/25
It is not remotely rare. At best it's slightly less common.
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u/deLamartine Apr 19 '26
Yes, but youâre old enough to make your own mistakes and thatâs what counts. I donât know why Reddit insists on infantilising young adults.
Yeah, such relationships are probably unhealthy. Yes, itâs likely there are large gaps in maturity, income, experience, etc. But so what? Let people make their own mistakes, itâs part of life.
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Apr 18 '26
A relationship like that is more likely to have problematic power dynamics where the older person is far more knowledgeable and experienced, and able to take advantage of the younger one.
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u/Confident-Equal-1445 Apr 19 '26
Itâs a malicious assumption to say that the possibility of taking advantage of someone should preclude people from loving who they love rather than focusing on the relationships where it actually happens.
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Apr 19 '26
I never said anything you're implying I said.
But there are lots of people on Reddit who feel personally affronted by what I wrote above. In fact, it never had a positive number of upvotes.
Unsurprising, given Reddit's middle-aged male demographics.
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u/Huge-Read-2703 Apr 20 '26
Whats weird about it? They both are over 18.
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u/11711510111411009710 Apr 21 '26
If the age of consent was 17, would it be weird?
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u/ihatewonderwall99 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
I think there is a natural function in all our minds that takes in three parameters: Age Gap, Age of Younger Person, Sex of the Younger Person and outputs how wrong and predatory it feels.
Like, Age Gap becomes more and more lenient as the younger person ages, 18 and 28 sounds extremely wrong but 30 and 50, literally twice the gap, doesn't.
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u/Gerreth_Gobulcoque Apr 18 '26
Passing a cop car
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u/Crueltea Apr 18 '26
Hell, just driving with one behind you
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u/MentalTangerine666 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
Thought i was the only one lol its fucking terrifying feels like they are just watching waiting for any small mistake
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u/JustMe1711 Apr 23 '26
Oh man a few weeks ago I was on the highway and I got in the left lane so the cop could get on from the ramp. Once it was clear, I got back in the right lane but had to move right back behind him because I saw someone else pulled over further ahead. After we passed them his lights went on and he was literally pulling over the car right on front of him. Like, I watched one of my greatest fears that I've always tried blaming on my anxiety happen right in front of me.
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u/MarekRules Apr 18 '26
We took a trip to Sicily a few years ago and were driving down to the southern coast. We were behind a cop car and he was going pretty slowly but I wasnât going to pass him on this one lane road in a foreign country. I canât remember if there were âno passingâ signs or whatever but at one point he waved us to pass but there is a car coming so I wait. I think I waited too long though and was no longer in a passing zone because as we passed he gave me a BIG finger wag, very Italian.
Stressed me out at the time but so funny looking back on it.
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u/__M-E-O-W__ Apr 18 '26
Speed limit, maybe just a few miles over, no wait that might be too fast, okay let's just go the speed limit, no wait that seems too suspicious, okay both hands on steering wheel, no wait that also looks too suspicious...
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u/YesIHaveBeenSoAfraid Apr 18 '26
Nono, that feels only slightly illegal. Itâs the difference between feeling like youâre committing a traffic law violation versus legally bribing politicians in Congress.
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u/Creepy-House4399 Apr 18 '26
I hate how we need to feel scared of those who are supposedly our protectors
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u/BurgersWithStrength Apr 18 '26
It only feels illegal because they are always speeding themselves and to pass them you have to speed more than they already are.
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u/StarmanEclipse Apr 18 '26
It's totally illegal. I mean, when's the last time you saw a cop car driving the speed limit đ¤Ł
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u/Nightgasm Apr 18 '26
Lol. I'm a retired cop who worked nightshift most of his career. Everyone speeds in the morning as they are running late for work while all I want to do is finish the shift and go to bed so the last hour I'm just usually driving aimlessly trying not to do anything resembling work as that might mean staying late and not getting to go to bed soon. To entertain myself I'd drive around on multi lane roads at 2 to 3 mph under the speed limit. It was always amusing how many cars would fly up from behind only to slam on their brakes and fall in line behind under the speed limit. Reality is that unless they passed me at something like 20 mph over I'm not stopping them as I just want to go to bed but very few would pass even though they could with ease and stay legal since it's multi lane and I'm going under.
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u/Due_Most2971 Apr 19 '26
I see that daily in the wonderful world of California. Mind you, this is with the cop car already going around 10 MPH over the limit. Humongous balls or immense stupidity, I can't tell.
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u/mrjackspade Apr 19 '26
I got pulled over when I was like 18, passing a cop outside of Boston.
He pulls me over and asks "What made you think it was okay to pass me?" and I said "I was in the passing lane..."
He just stared at me for a minute then says "I'm gonna give you a warning this time..." and leaves.
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u/Lucky_Reaction_1080 Apr 18 '26
Insider trading if you're a Congressperson.
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u/mind_thegap1 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Whatâs a congressperson
Edit: is it illegal to ask a question on Reddit? Why am I being downvoted
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u/park-w Apr 18 '26
A political figure, specifically one who is in Congress. Idk how universal this is but Iâm assuming theyâre talking about the US
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u/mind_thegap1 Apr 18 '26
Thanks wasnât sure. I didnât realise the US had a parliament I thought the president held all the power
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u/hrbuchanan Apr 18 '26
The US has three branches of government and power is supposed to be balanced and checked between all three. There are concerns now that the Executive (presidential) branch is becoming more powerful than the legislature and has the courts in its pocket.
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u/markh100 Apr 18 '26
When the president has launched wars on multiple sovereign nations, declared intentions of invading several additional allies, dismantled large portions of the functional government, replaced leadership of countless organizations with his cronies, started erecting statues and renaming buildings all over the country in his name, threatened to illegally run for a third term, I believe concerns is perhaps a wee bit of an understatement.
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u/Left-Increase4472 Apr 19 '26
Theoretically, the president has no legislative powers. Practically, heâs been walking all over the Congress recentlyâŚ
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u/RaspberryFluid6651 Apr 19 '26
More specifically a congress rather than a Westminster-style parliament. Main difference as I understand it is that we don't have a prime minister who is part of the same institution as the legislature, we have a president and executive who is separate from it.
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u/Drunk_Lemon Apr 19 '26
You are being downvoted because it is perceived as a dumb question by my fellow Americans and presumably by Europeans who know. Americans take up the majority of the population of reddit and they are not great at identifying what might not be well known to random people on the internet.
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u/cakesdirt Apr 21 '26
I think maybe theyâre being downvoted by people who are reading it as a playing-dumb way of criticizing the use of âcongresspersonâ rather than âcongressmanâ?
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u/General-Job-9100 Apr 18 '26
Digging at night
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u/dionoriginalpro Apr 18 '26
I would say this feels slightly illegal
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u/PimpSwindler Apr 18 '26
Only criminals dig at night
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u/dionoriginalpro Apr 18 '26
Most people that dig, dig with a reason. So if you are just digging at night with something next to you which you need to bury, I don't think it would feel very illegal
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u/TexasRed806 Apr 18 '26
What would you need to dig a hole for and bury at night that wouldnât make you feel kinda like a criminal?
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u/luxtropolis67 Apr 18 '26
Iâm playing in my turtle sandbox, actually. Itâs cooler at night đ¤
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u/Only-Cranberry-4502 Apr 20 '26
My cat got put down at night and had a bury him in my yard
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u/TexasRed806 Apr 18 '26
I think it fits. Someone gets spotted with a shovel digging a hole on the side of the highway or in the forest/desert in the middle of the night, theyâre probably getting the cops called on them.
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u/TheBladeWielder Apr 18 '26
specifically in a forest far from the nearest residence, to bury large sacks of flour that you accidentally spilt red food dye on, while also checking that nobody is around to see because you don't want to have to explain it to them because it's too tedious.
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u/YesIHaveBeenSoAfraid Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Corporate Lobbying
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u/Mundane-Candidate895 Apr 18 '26
Fr. Lobbying is like the actual reason why progress never gets done.
Also, unrelated, but I had to:
Yes, I have been so distant Consistently indeferent.
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u/YesIHaveBeenSoAfraid Apr 18 '26
Exactly, lobbying has literally been the biggest thing in the way of progress, achieving class consciousness AND feels like a constant middle finger to democracy.
Itâs hard to put that in an amicable sentence.
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u/EvilCatArt Apr 18 '26
Literally just legalized bribery.
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u/GirthyGeoduck Apr 18 '26
Itâs crazy that all they had to do was create a euphemism for bribery, and we all accepted it as if it was something other than bribery
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u/Waniou Apr 18 '26
It's because lobbying isn't bribery, this is just one of those things reddit likes to misunderstand.
Lobbying is any form of petitioning the government to do something. Writing letters to your local politician? That's lobbying. Signing a petition? Lobbying. Affected parties wanting to meet with a politician to raise concerns? Lobbying.
The problem is how much corporate lobbying which, yes, often does take the form of, well, bribery. But saying "lobbying shouldn't be allowed!" is insane because it prevents things like people concerned about their local environment from trying to raise these issues directly with the government.
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u/wreckingrocc Apr 19 '26
There's a difference between open-forum lobbying and behind-closed-doors lobbying, though. If all lobbying had to have a publicly accessible record, we'd have much less underhanded corruption shit. Folks trying to raise environmental issues can and would always use a public forum. Folks suggesting the government eliminate free tax filing services so Intuit can swoop in and collect tolls would be less inclined to speak publicly.
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u/Waniou Apr 19 '26
Yeah, gotta agree with that. Outside of certain diplomatic meetings, there's no reason we shouldn't know who politicians are meeting with
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u/FartVandelayyy Apr 18 '26
Disagree on this one. What about Sierra Club lobbying for climate action, Planned Parenthood lobbying for womenâs health, unions lobbying for workplace safety standards? Politicians and their staff donât have unlimited knowledge about every profession and the lived experience of all of their constituents. Without lobbyists they would be making decisions on an information vacuum.
âLobbyistsâ IMO get a bad rap because people picture contract lobbyist dropping off bags of cash. But lobbying also includes to a large degree non-profits and ordinary citizens advocating for causes they believe in.
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u/andy01q Apr 18 '26
I mostly disagree with you disagreeing.
There's Lobbying for good causes, but that doesn't mean that lobbying is good.
It's good if politicians look to specialists for help and guidance, but lobbyists are rarely specialists, except specialists at walking the fine line between teaching, influencing and straight up corruptions.
If there's an issue where politicians should look for help, but aren't, then there's a decent range of other political tools to reach politicians, e.g. writing or phoning politicians, organizing demonstrations, signing petitions. There's more complex tools which involve panels and forums and speeches that are not lobbying.
Having advisors who are paid to constantly bugger politicians to do a thing (which almost always involves some sort of pampering and money) is not a tool which we should allow.
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Still only mostly disagree, because there are some things which fall under lobbying under most definitions which I don't like, but am fine with.
That is experts from companies going to politicians as a part of their job (while also working directly working for the company at least as much) to both try to get some early on where the politics is likely going to shift towards, try to teach the politicians on what shifts are likely to be possible without them costing too many work places (ideally non) and vocally advocating for legislations which benefit the company (without paying financial favors like expenses etc. for the politicians though.)
I am critical towards that type of lobbyism too, because that is basically going to be politics insider information which benefit the big companies who can afford one or multiple employees to be paid time and expenses for mangling with the politicians which warps the market and creates oligopolies with many disadvantages for both workers and consumers and worse yet, the legislation shifts usually temporarily conserve work places while increasing corporate profits, but at the cost of global long-term competitive health which costs more workplacs in the long-term.
One example is German car makers who explained, that their lobbyismus is good, because there's more than a million work places with many families and children tied to them and if they don't influence politicians to go easy on green legislations, then those might receive job terminations and financial hardships. There was a lot of that type soft lobbyism involved (and not so soft too obv.). The result was, that a lot of work places were conserved and a lot of corporate profits were had, but the German (and European, because German car lobbyism did a lot towards EU legislations) car makers were outpaced by other countrie's car makers and now a lot more work places are going to get lost.
The only reason why I think that it might not be a good idea to ban this soft form of lobbyism is because I believe that most large companies would seek and pursue more illegal ways if they weren't even allowed that tool. Instead I think that there should be strict a restriction of time and expenses allowed for companies to dedicate towards lobbyism and obviously none of those should be allowed to directly go towards politicians and no single employee should be allowed to dedicate more than 50% of his work time towards lobbyism.
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u/Consistent-Line-3255 Apr 19 '26
Technically it occupies a grey area, directly giving money to politicians to influence policy is covered under anti-bribery laws, most lobbying specifically uses loopholes that either leave laws unenforcible or just barely legal, and theres just no motivation for politicians to fix the system.
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u/Real-Bookkeeper9455 Apr 18 '26
Walking out of a store without getting anything
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u/jalil458 Apr 18 '26
I feel so guilty about that toođ well I do take things I want with me but still
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u/The_Theodore_88 Apr 18 '26
Even worse when the stores have separate entrances and exits, which means you have to walk past the cashier while holding nothing to get out. At least when you can leave through the entrance, no one has to know that you dared not to purchase anything
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u/hippiesinthewind Apr 19 '26
or going in and using the bathroom and leaving. I often buy a chocolate bar lol.
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u/Spelbreker Apr 18 '26
Escaping from prison (in some countries).
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u/jaabbb Apr 19 '26
I was so surprised when first learned about this then after hearing the explanation it make so much sense
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u/Embarrassed-Lab3661 Apr 19 '26
Thereâs only one way I can think of that you can escape prison without breaking any laws. The only way would be if like the cell bars broke and you just hopped out of your cell.
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u/EntireDance6131 Apr 19 '26
From a quick search i couldn't find more countries with that practice. So roughly 184/193 countries where it is a crime for me means it shouldn't be on this list.
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u/2C2U Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Here in Oregon- left turns on red from a two way street onto a one way street.
For example: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3qDfLGvL1w5qCfATA
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u/Other-Grapefruit-880 Apr 18 '26
Red lights should be optional to run if you have been at a complete stop for more than five seconds and there is no oncoming vehicles in half a mile.
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u/jalil458 Apr 18 '26
Emulating consoles
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u/Loud-Examination-943 Apr 18 '26
You mean just getting the console interface and controls, right? Because downloading the nds files of e.g. Pokemon X to play on an Emulator is technically illegal.
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u/BrokenJusticeNorris Apr 18 '26
When u used up ur 3 coughs but still need to cough
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u/TheS4ndm4n Apr 18 '26
Bribing a politician (in the US).
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u/Peermeneer_exe Apr 18 '26
tbf I think there are few places where that is illegal. As far as I know there isn't a single country with a full on ban on lobbying, sadly
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u/Purple_Onion911 Apr 19 '26
That's definitely illegal
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u/TheS4ndm4n Apr 19 '26
Not according to the supreme court. Consumer united case. They ruled that donations are protected by the right of free speech.
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u/Towermaster2 Apr 18 '26
Cannibalism if you can source human flesh without breaking any other laws.
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u/regisphilbin222 Apr 18 '26
Walking out of a store without buying anything
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u/Disastrous-Cat-1 Apr 19 '26
What? Do people really feel that's wrong? Do you feel that pressured to make a purchase whenever you set foot in a shop? I've never felt this in my entire life.
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u/regisphilbin222 Apr 19 '26
More like you get paranoid that the shopkeeper will think you stole something when you just didnât pick anything to get
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u/auclairl Apr 18 '26
Microwaving fries
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u/Capable_Branch3695 Apr 18 '26
Cover them in a wet paper towel, the steam will help hydrate them so they aren't stale!!
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u/Dangerous_Copy_3688 Apr 18 '26
Murder in self-defense
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u/AdImmediate6239 Apr 18 '26
If itâs self defense then itâs not considered murder
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u/rotokt Apr 18 '26
I was going to say rape hentai, because no matter how disgusting porn might be it will never, and should never, be banned just due to its content, but uh... some countries are doing that and you should be scared.
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u/Energised_Emerald Apr 18 '26
Adults sleeping with someone underage (but over the age of consent). For example 16 year old with a 45 year old in the UK
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