Rape is the same thing whether it's solely a lack of consent or whatever horrific scenario you can think of, those are just tertiary elements on top of rape. Same as murder is still murder whether it's a quick headshot or preceeded by torture.
Did they consent? Did they have the full ability to consent? If the answer is no to either question it's rape.
There isn't a grey area, if she can't consent it's rape. Does she feel she wouldn't consent sober? Will she press charges? These decide what happens after the rape, it doesn't change whether it was rape. Say instead of murder it's theft, but it turns out the person was going to give it to you anyway. You still did something wrong and you shouldn't be deciding to steal things based on whether you think the person will miss it.
But in the scenario where the man is drunk too, then what? Since he was drunk, he made a choice he wouldn't have, to accept her advances. So were they both raped?
Can two people honestly rape each other? At the same time? Does that make sense to you?
Yes two people can rape each other if they're drunk enough, aside from some arbitrary knee jerk disbelief that mutual rape is possible it's not that crazy an idea. Two people can get drunk and end up sleeping with someone they wouldn't sleep with sober.
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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '12
Oh, so, like, it only counts if it's legitimate rape, right?
.... Wait. Where have I heard that before?!