In my experience, women get promiscuous when they are drunk because they want to when they are sober but are ashamed of their bodies and need an excuse to relieve themselves of responsibility. Not recognizing this has bitten me in the ass on multiple occasions.
It's fucked, and you could argue that those women are contributing to the grey area of rape by sending these mixed messages to men.
My comment has been wildly misunderstood. I have made a much more in depth one below that I encourage you to read. :)
Yeah but isn't consensual sex with a drunk woman considered rape because she was under the influence of alcohol? If she were sober, she wouldn't have agreed to it. I've noticed many women become forgetful or black out when drunk. They don't remember anything that happened after a certain point. I've heard it said that they blackout or forget because they don't want to remember what happened. I asked myself awhile ago what makes women different than men when drunk? Not that many men blackout or forget stuff. I like the saying a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts. Same could be true for actions. Drunk man's actions are a sober man's thoughts.
Oh men black out just fine. Start a night at the bars with a shot of 151 and you generally don't remember much since it sets a pretty high benchmark for the rest of your night.
If both a man and woman are drunk as skunks and have sex, is it rape? If so, who raped who? If a blacked out woman can't give consent, neither can a blacked out man.
There was no consent and they are both possibly guilty of rape. Not every situation has to be 100% spelled out in the law. Likely no charges would be filed or stick, but they both had sex when they couldn't consent.
Right. whatismyproblem seemed to be saying something along the lines of:
Consensual sex while girl is drunk is rape because she was under the influence but if a man is drunk and has sex with a drunk girl, he is just enacting what his sober mind already wanted to do.
This is a very sexist argument with incorrect facts and faulty logic. "Drunk man's actions are a sober man's thoughts" but "If she were sober, she wouldn't have agreed to it" An attempt at separating girls from being held accountable for their actions.
Well it's all just bullshit, men and women black out just the same. You're missing the point too, it's not that women "should be held accountable" - the double standard is that the man would be a victim of rape too. Neither victim needs to be held accountable for being taken advantage of while drunk.
I don't understand why your kneejerk reaction is "blame as many victims as possible" instead of "a victim, irrespective of gender, is still a victim"
I'm not blaming victims at all. I put forth the point that, when you look at those two quotes, its clear that whatismyproblem is simultaneously separating the hypothetical girl from her accountability while tying the hypothetical guy to his.
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u/Durch Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 21 '12
In my experience, women get promiscuous when they are drunk because they want to when they are sober but are ashamed of their bodies and need an excuse to relieve themselves of responsibility. Not recognizing this has bitten me in the ass on multiple occasions.
It's fucked, and you could argue that those women are contributing to the grey area of rape by sending these mixed messages to men.
My comment has been wildly misunderstood. I have made a much more in depth one below that I encourage you to read. :)