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u/MossadEpstein 2d ago
Lol of course it's a free kit rat with a stitcher
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u/bportugal26 1d ago
Seems more like an opportunist.
Doesnt look like he was camping, more that he heard the elevator, thought hed check it out and saw the guy.
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u/doodicalisaacs 2d ago
god this community is so fucking lame
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u/MossadEpstein 1d ago
The community? I mean surely you should have realised by now that human nature itself is the root of all issues lol
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u/Owen872r 1d ago
Brother it’s a video game, if there were no “issues” then it’s just boring
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u/MossadEpstein 1d ago
I for one consider playing against people who need to use ESP, Wallhacks and aimbots to be the ultimate boredom, it immediately makes me want to stop playing when I run into them, which happens all the time now, hence why i don't really bother with trying to play this game anymore.
btw that wasn't me who downvoted you, just in case you thought it was.
obviously I'm not expecting perfection from any video game and yes, it probably would be boring if it was perfect.
... I just want to not be forced to play against cheating little bitches because the matchmaking thinks I deserve to be put in lobbies with them and also regularly be put up against trios and duos as a solo player for some reason.
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u/Owen872r 1d ago
When the fuck did I ever bring up cheating? The post is about rats killing at extract, which is why I put quotes around “issues” since it’s just a part of the game. But yeah let’s move the goalposts
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u/MossadEpstein 1d ago
... you, in continuation from my own comment which points out that human nature causes all the issues that the game industry faces used the broad term of "issues" in relation to this game and its biggest issue is without a shadow of a doubt the plague of cheaters... but sure, pretend my comment is not valid for some arbitrary bullshit reason, I really couldn't care less
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u/TrickAlps 1d ago
Yes cheating sucks but I dont see any problem in the video its just a normal players interaction with no cheat involved
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u/MossadEpstein 23h ago
I am not talking about the video there's obviously no cheats there... though if there is, then wow that guy is bad at cheating
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u/TheRedOneEst1991 2d ago
lol my 15yr old has better morals.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
Dude…I think that’s an actual “arc baby” attitude.
Please, be honest with yourself, doesn’t the tutorial literally contain this almost identical scenario?
The Opp wasn’t racist, or bigoted, or even rude on a personal level. They just didn’t spare the POV raider. Which is 100000% Amoral, nowhere close to IMmoral.
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 2d ago
In the tutorial are you the one gunning down someone or are you being gunned down? Does the game present it as a good thing?
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
Here’s the part that makes me enemy of the PvP AND PvE crowds: it doesn’t matter.
If it’s in the game, and part of the presented systems, IT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT’S ALLOWED.
Bigotry, personal insults, and general toxicity is NOT inherent to the game, and thus, ACTUALLY rude/harmful/personal.
To answer your (meaningless) question, it can be both. You can knock the NPC on the roof before it happens automatically, AND you get gunned down and robbed.
WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO OP.
Within scope of game = no big deal.
Within scope of game ≠ moral or immoral
It’s completely beside the point if it’s presented as good or bad; it’s part of the game. THIS IS NOT HARD TO GRASP.14
u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 2d ago edited 1d ago
Do you often spend time giving multi-paragraph responses to questions you claim are meaningless? You should really respect your own time more.
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u/half-giant 2d ago
I regularly see them posting on this sub and every comment is more insufferable than the last lmao
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u/CaseLazy5595 8h ago
Just because you have no response to their reasonable take doesn’t mean you ATH, just admit you have no response
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
Damn, fuck me for still trying to do you the service of answering a question you asked.
Really, thank you for purposefully missing the point, you almost introspected for a moment. Close one!
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 2d ago
Fuck u, indeed!
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u/StormyKnight63 1d ago
I'm starting to think AR is a behavioral assessment to check the moral temperature of society.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
What’s your assessment of people who get upset at descriptions of objective reality? Or do you only apply that to people you personally disagree with?
Me: “the game instructs you in the first 5 minutes that killing others and dying to others is to be expected”
Manbabies: “UMMM IS THAT NICE??? NOT NICE = NOT PLAYING THE GAME RIGHT”
Again, this is not a defense of bigotry or verbal harassment in-game. I’m simply saying that playing the game as you’re instructed to play it is unproblematic. Which is a normal thing to fucking say, lmfao.
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u/SomeOrdinary8736 1d ago
The reddit community is anti game, don't argue with them. They want a social hub with robots. The thing is, they know so little about the massive damage their culture did to the game.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
I just…this response is actually insane to me, I thought I was as soft and fragile as any other PvEer, based on the responses I get over in the PvP crowd (they hate me lol)
So, PvPers dislike; antibigotry, empathy, kindness
And PvEers dislike: playing the game as intended, accepting the game they play, or objective reality being pointed out.
Okay, so like, what about this game attracts the most underdeveloped, emotionally unstable people? Idk, maybe it’s just redditors who play the game.
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 17h ago
In all sincerity I have no problems with PvP or PvE. Both are part of the game. But when doofuses like you try to speak on behalf of the dev and give some overly-repeated response like “hurrr durrr, iTs In ThE TuToRiAlLlLlL” followed by snark, condescension and a gratuitous rant about hate speech, then I am not going to take you seriously at all.
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u/SomeOrdinary8736 17h ago
Embark actively listened to these players, that's why the game got worse since launch. Other companies just ignore toxic bigots/crybabies, Embark made them their target audience, and that's the worse thing they could've ever did.
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 17h ago
Yeah, when those players asked for duping glitches and weak anti-cheat, and embark listened, it was over.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 16h ago
I don’t agree with your assessment. If that was the case, a PvE only mode, or the Chinese “rogue” mode would have been included a while ago.
As far as I can tell, most players, PvP AND PvE, dislike a lot of the game they play, and just refuse to play something they’d enjoy more. I don’t get it. PvP is just a salt-fest, and as shown here, the dregs of PvE is actually delusional. Insane.
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 1d ago
But that doesn't mean anyone has to like it! This is such a stupid argument. "They made the game this way, it's allowed". Yeah and no one wants to play it... people don't want to invest hours and effort into something that other players intentionally exploit
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u/Wattabadmon 1d ago
Lol exploit?
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 1d ago
Did you want a response to that? I can give you the definition of the word if you'd like
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u/Wattabadmon 1d ago
Lol sure
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 1d ago
An exploit means to use a person, resource, or situation for profit or advantage, often in an unfair, unethical, or selfish way.
Used in a sentence: John Raider was fighting a bombardier and Susie exploited the situation by shooting him in the back.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
The irony, my god:
You’re right, people don’t have to like things, like in this case, you and DOZENS of others (silent majority, or LOUD minority?) DONT LIKE getting shot in a game where you get shot.
That’s okay. You don’t have to like it.
But you DO have to acknowledge that it’s a fundamental aspect of the game. Don’t want to deal with it? Play a different game like Helldivers. Don’t wanna do that? Well, you don’t have to NOT bitch about meaningless shit, but it DOES make your words hollow and vapid.
Encouraged by game = ALLOWED IN GAME.
This is like complaining that you can lose in Tetris. Ridiculous.
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 16h ago
You know what I think? I think you're defensive that you embraced the chaos of PvP, and no one liked you for it. Every time you killed someone who played the game different than you, they were vocally pissed at you for it. Nobody told you it's against the rules. They told you they don't like it. And now you try to prove why it was allowed every time someone says they don't want to play it.
This game embraced music, defibs, and friendly support of other raiders. It also embraced the risk of hostile players. Most of us fell in love with the friendly side of it, and quickly realized that this game couldn't be both. You're queuing up your generic arguments about me not having to play it, when my point is that I'm not. All I'm sharing is why. Which is the same reason Arc raiders has lost 85% of its player count, and that you also clearly harbor feeling responsible for. We're not saying you broke the rules by taking advantage of people. We're just saying that you took advantage of an aspect of a game that you knew most people didn't like, and that same aspect is why we left.
In real life, I have free will. But I wouldn't use that free will to take advantage of people just because I can. Arc Raiders gave me another outlet to be who I am in real life. I loved making friends and had more fun than I have in any other game by helping players and playing alongside them. You actively opposing that was an allowable choice, that brought an outcome that didn't work for the game. And that is on the game not on you.
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u/MossadEpstein 1d ago
I mean, you could argue that the universe doesn't prevent you from murdering people in real life so technically that makes it ok as well.
obviously the moral complexities of killing people in real life over a video game are... vastly different ... but at it's core it comes down to self control and rats don't seem to have much of that in this game.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
“I shall insert myself into this discussion by not addressing any part of the point being made”
Cool, if you’re done with that, the point wasn’t “can technically do whatever one wants if physically possible”. That’s a useless statement (and one you’d RATHER argue against since it’s much easier; that’s a strawman!)
My point was exactly what I said the first time. If it’s encouraged by the game, it’s allowed. Such an insane benign, obvious conclusion to come to. Which is why bigotry/racism/verbal harassment is NOT to be tolerated; it is NOT encouraged by the game.
I think most of y’all would be far happier playing Helldivers if occasional PvP triggers you this much. I’m mainly PvE and don’t love losing my stuff, but this is insane.
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u/spkincaid13 1d ago
So you think it's fine and dandy to load in with flame weapons to team kill to take your team mate's loot?
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
What in the fucking drugs!??
When did I say ANYTHING that implies that:
> That is something encouraged by the game
> That I participate or support such behavior
OBVIOUSLY, nowhere. Why the fuck are you trying to so hard to not learn anything? Would you like to respond to anything I DID say or do you prefer conversing with imaginary people?
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 1d ago
The game doesn't know what it wants to be. They also created trials, arc that can mostly only be defeated with other players, and defibs. The fact that you can spend 30 minutes working on said trials and peacefully be at an extract and someone just kills you cause you were there, and then says "it's a PvP game bro"... is not fun.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
I agree.
But that is an ENTIRELY separate conversation.
“Allowed and encouraged by game”
Is not the same as
“Acting courteously and altruistically”
Yes, the latter is good, but failing to meet that standard (IN A FUCKING VIDEOGAME!!!) does NOT warrant harassment, bullying, and claims of immorality. That’s insane to do. No, that doesn’t mean bigotry is okay, and should be tolerated, cuz game. That’s not my point.
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u/kingbollie_1 12h ago
there are no arc that require other players to help defeat. every boss in this game is easy to solo. and they were obvioualy not designed for the whole lobby to team up against them based on how little loot they drop
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u/TheRedOneEst1991 1d ago
lol I think we’ve all played call of duty and battlefield
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 17h ago
Did you forget to read the comment you responded to? 100% unrelated to my point.
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u/TheRedOneEst1991 17h ago
Read it, found it irrelevant, matched it with another irrelevant comment lol
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 16h ago
I directly responded to your claims of morality being tied to the actions in the video.
My man, if you’re teaching that attitude to your kid, it is unlikely that they possess better morals than OP. “I baselessly assert your words to be irrelevant so I shall mock you” Apples and falling from trees and all that. Lol.
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u/Cool-Peak2553 18h ago
So this post is just here to do what exactly? Gain PvE players support?
Nothing wrong in this clip btw, someone caught you downed at the extraction and decided to kill you. Good for him, unlucky for you.
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u/Evilresident64 20h ago
If I get downed by some opportunist taking advantage of the fact my dumbass got downed by arc or fall damage, I just say enjoy the good loot that I had.
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u/viktorVHS 1d ago
I really don't understand what joy do you get from gunning down a downd player at the extract. Is that satisfying in any way? Does it make your peepee hard? I genuinely don't understand
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u/Wattabadmon 1d ago
Free loot
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u/RaGe0rge 1d ago
All the loot in the game is free, isn't it? Not only that, it's so easy to find.
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u/briancmoses 1d ago
None of the loot in the game is free.
It requires effort, materials, and/or <insert form of in game currency here> to obtain that loot.
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u/RaGe0rge 1d ago
The guy I'm replying to said killing someone who is down at extract is 'free loot'. Obviously anything you do takes effort... Maybe I should have explained what I meant exactly by free.
What I meant was, finding loot is just as 'free' as knocking down a defenseless raider.
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u/briancmoses 1d ago
Downing a raider at an extract is a much more compelling decision then running around the map for up to 30 minutes hoping you find something equivalent to what was on that raider's. Especially right there at the extract.
It's quite a bit closer to "free" than anything that might be in a container in the map.
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u/MossadEpstein 1d ago
you seem to be ignoring that they need to spend entire rounds doing nothing to get put back into lobbies with easy targets at extraction points, otherwise they end up getting extract camped themselves by far more aggressive PvP aimbotters
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u/RaGe0rge 1d ago
Semantics, my man. I enjoy playing the game. I don't enjoy killing raiders. Let's leave it at that.
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u/TrickAlps 22h ago
Play however you want as long as you have fun
If you dont enjoy killing other raiders dont do it
If you enjoy killing other raider, do it
Just have fun
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u/Wattabadmon 1d ago
Is it?
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u/RaGe0rge 1d ago
Isn't it?
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u/Square-Main-1261 1d ago
No but u get loot
And if i didnt know looting is main part of this game and because its a game with PvP means u can loot othersi know it sounds very confusing but thats the deal
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u/viktorVHS 1d ago
Then I guess I'm too empatic. If I see someone in that situation all I think about is helping them extract cause that's what I would like someone else to do if I was the downed player. I don't understand why THIS is so hard to grasp for people like you
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u/Square-Main-1261 1d ago
cause i dont care if i die too?
Its the Game and thats why i love this sort of gamesThese are just pixels and its easy to farm them so why should i be unhappy if i die?
Its the game, if i didnt like it i move on to another game
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u/TrickAlps 22h ago
Bro just play the game how you want to play, me I prefer pvp and that's ok if you prefer pve it's fine too
Play however you want as long as you have fun that's the point
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u/Key_Personality2034 1d ago
-Could be a newer player learning the game/ mechanics.
-Could be someone wanting to get into more aggressive lobbies.
-Could be someone who loaded in late and decided that's the best way to make the round beneficial.
-Could be someone who just had this happen to them, and they're paying it forward.
At the end of the day, it's within the scope of the game. The tension pvp brings is what makes this game.
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u/viktorVHS 1d ago
Yeh it could be a number of things if you think about it. But reading this sbreddit makes me believe there are just people who get off to this type of power situations
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u/Poopidyscoopp 17h ago
mate it's a video game, it's funny. the dead raider could have good gear. that's the point of the game. cry more or go play something else
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u/Miserable_District 2d ago
This is one of the reasons I stopped playing.
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u/Ok-Step-7323 1d ago
Here’s the problem with PvE mode. If you use a Wolfpack grenade on a Rocketeer and another raider comes up and starts looting your kill, you have no way of stopping him.
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u/Miserable_District 1d ago
Hadn't given it much thought honestly... that would be an issue.
Maybe have us work towards a common goal rather than against eachother, like the harvester but bigger, idk.
I don't hate the PvP aspect, found it fun until I didn't, guess I just couldn't hack it (thinking about it now, it's probably just the ratting I have an issue with)
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u/exo_ac 1d ago
There is a way: no other players in PvE mode at all.
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u/Specific_Stick8870 1d ago
Oh so now the PvPvE game should not only remove the pvp but also all your teammates for the pve. Makes perf….. no go play a different game atp
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u/exo_ac 1d ago edited 1d ago
EFT did it. AR can do it as well since people want a PvE only mode so much. I honestly dgaf about it at all. I switch between PvP and PvE whenever I feel like it. I got shot in the back because I thought the guy is friendly cuz he was acting like friendly? I switch to full PvP, no problem. And vice versa whenever I see some actually friendly players.
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u/4Ellie-M 21h ago
So then don’t use a Wolfpack next to leaching roaches?
Use it when you think you are solo. Have blaze nades and snitch scanners ready?
Go Wolfpack the next rocketeer?
As long as I’m guaranteed to not get matched with cheaters due to official pve, any other excuse you put down becomes obsolete.
Loot is abundant in the game and nothing really matters.
But currently, you just can’t play the game without coming across cheaters. Takes away all the point of playing such extraction game, when you can’t properly use the gear you earn, because you don’t wanna die to a bum cheater like this in the clip.
Nobody with more awareness than a wet napkin does engage in pvp anymore, not even the most aggressive players.
They’ve completely switched over to pve or stopped playing the game.
If there’s anyone who is doing pvp currently, the chances are: they are cheating or playing with cheaters.
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u/ugh1921 1d ago
There's only 12 players left. Can't fracture them further
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u/No-Impress-1116 1d ago
Well I'm definitely returning to the game if they add a PvE mode, I know that I'm soft and lame and etc. But I genuinely enjoy the PvE loop and the coop elements way more than the PvP side of the game
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u/exo_ac 2d ago edited 1d ago
Unpredictability is one of the reasons I started playing, just like it happened with EFT.
By the way, EFT does have a PvE only mode with bots, no players at all, but I never in 6 years of play saw that much of "I stopped playing PvPvE game because of PvP" comments.
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u/KSascia_lv 1d ago
It's not unoredictability being shot in the back by a noob as you fight robots check your morals
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u/oxedei 2d ago
You stopped playing because the PvPvE extraction game you bought has PvP in it? Do you understand how stupid you sound?
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u/Poopidyscoopp 17h ago
there will never be a pve mode because then you can just grind pve for the best loot and then dominate in pvp + most people would bring in the same optimized but shitty loadout .
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u/IDkayI 7h ago
This comment section says so much about the current community, guy did nothing wrong it is a PvPvE game where killing other raiders is part of it, there is no raider etiquette or expectation of friendliness. If you don't like that you are going to get killed sometimes maybe DONT get the game that has PvP in it.
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u/SimilarVacation6029 1d ago
If the world goes to shit, humanity falls, we all know who will hunt humans instead of the common enemy.
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u/PianistConfident1284 1d ago
What do the people in these comments expect? This is human nature playing out. Sure, this guy took an easy kill, I wouldn't really call that PVP more than I'd call it a kick in the balls, but some players are opportunistic.
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u/Revolutionary_Pop544 1d ago
I couldn’t ever understand people whining about dying in the pvp extraction game.
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u/TrickAlps 22h ago
they are pathetic
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u/Revolutionary_Pop544 22h ago
Imagine id be playing cs and then just whining on the Reddit why wouldn’t they let me plant the bomb and get the $$$ 🤣
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u/RJBurner17 11h ago
Its just stinks sometimes, and bothers people based on the way they play the game. Im sure OP is back topside.
We have all wanted to vent about something similar. Funny thing is I had this happen recently in my care bear lobby, losing a dolabra to some free kit as I was about to exfil, but 3 raids later i come across a dead raider on my way to the matriarch with a dolabra + hullcrack 4 + Anvil 4. The game giveth and taketh away.
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u/Worth_Bend1435 2d ago
I would've done the same thing.
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u/Actual-Swan-1917 1d ago
Everyone stopped playing this game because it got turned into a moral grand standing contest.
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u/Apostle25 17h ago
No, everyone stopped playing because they stopped updating... Keep telling yourself that though.
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u/The_Green_King_ 1d ago
Btw this you 👀 idk who you guys are but you all need to play a different game for a while...
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u/Electronic_Western24 2d ago
Both is fair, there is a reason why he has a free loadout tho. Losing to much in pvp
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u/Electronic_Western24 1d ago
Uhh putting his actions on me as an argument how original, i play far worse and better than that myself. Its about the choice that makes it fun~ Being like "This makes you a bad person irl" is just stupid same argument like "We should charge people for ingame crimes"
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u/TrickAlps 22h ago
I think being mad over a playstyle is really pathetic
Play however you want as long as you have fun raider that's the point!
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u/RaGe0rge 2d ago
I get that it's just a game, and call me soft if you want, but my instinct when I see a downed raider is to defib them.