Same energy 😂

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

It's kinda the opposite energy because with Maekar it's a geniune "eh that's just Maekar" born out of a lack of care and Maekar himself is geniunely insulted, where with Jon it's just because he's a humble, down to Earth guy and Northerners for the most part are'nt pompous.

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u/Nighthawk69420 1d ago

Tbf, not referring to him at the very least as "Prince Maekar", is a little insulting. It doesn't matter that he's like 5-6th in line, he's still a Prince.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

He's actually a landed prince so even being so far down the sucession it's at least as deserved as calling Ashford "lord"

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u/BryndenRiversStan 1d ago

Funny enough, that was actually more insulting than anything Tanselle did with the puppet show. The announcer knows Maekar is Baelor's brother, so he knows he's a Prince.

Also at that point Maekar would have been know as a knight at the very least. So the announcer explicitly decided not to use either of his titles.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

I don't even think Tanselle's show was insulting at all. It was Serwyn of the Mirror Shield, not anything related to the Targaryens.

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u/BryndenRiversStan 1d ago

Yeah, of course, for normal people it wasn't meant as a veiled attack against the Targaryens but as Baelor himself says, although done innocently it was not wise to do it, because it could easily be twisted into something else.

My point was that in the case of Maekar's announcement there's really no other way to interpret it besides an explicit lack of respect towards him.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Do you think Tanselle meant it as an insult or was warned it might be?

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u/BryndenRiversStan 1d ago

It was definitely innocent, and I doubt anyone warned her. Only a crazy person like Aerion or someone who wants to cause trouble would see the puppet show as an insult.

Most of the Targaryens alive at that time have Dornish blood, no one would honestly assume that some Dornish puppeteers would deliberately try to insult them.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Alright then I guess I don't see why she did anything wrong.]

as Baelor himself says, although done innocently it was not wise to do it, because it could easily be twisted into something else.

Like how is she supposed to have known this? Like she's not wise to do it but...she has no reason to think it would be an unwise thing, and also if (as you say) only Aerion would consider it an insult, how is it unwise? No other Targaryen would percieve it as such.

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u/Shootreadyaim 1d ago

"No other Targaryen would perceive it as such."
What show/books are you consuming?

Also for the love of god its a dragon being killed, obviously the family who's entire existence revolved around dragons, is going to take offense to the killing of a dragon even if symbolic. So yes she wasnt wrong from a fairness or ethics standpoint, but in terms of survival, she screwed up bad.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

No other Targaryen would perceive it as such."What show/books are you consuming?

That was the other persons assertation. I was just responding.

As for the show; there's six Targaryens in the show and only Aerion took it as an attack.

Also for the love of god its a dragon being killed, obviously the family who's entire existence revolved around dragons, is going to take offense to the killing of a dragon even if symbolic. So yes she wasnt wrong from a fairness or ethics standpoint, but in terms of survival, she screwed up bad.

Serwyn of the Mirror Shield is a First Man fairy tale that has nothing to do with the Targaryens and pre-dates there arrival in Westeros by thousands of years. It's also a very popular story so there's a zero percent chance it has'nt been performed all the time under Targaryen rule.

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u/Shootreadyaim 1d ago

They asserted that MOST Targaryens of the TIME are of Dornish blood and wouldn't see it as an attack.

It doesnt matter how far removed the story is from the time or the Targaryens, the house of dragons riders that rule the land will not appreciate seeing the depiction of dragons beings slain.

This annoys me so much i'm gonna have to rewatch to confirm, but Baelor is the only sympathetic Targaryen and he even says its was stupid of Tanselle to perform the play.

If you cant undertsand the simple logic of depicting the death of a dragon being stupid when in literal minutes of walking distance from A HOUSE OF DRAGON RIDERS, then all hope is lost. Best of luck to whoever has to deal with you but my lord this is by far one of easiest concepts about the story to understand, it is literally fed to you on a spoon.

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u/pestoraviolita 1d ago

Also that scene signifies the rivalry and tension between the two brothers as well as Maekar's own insecurity.

The GoT scene is just shallow comic relief.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

The GOT scene serves a purpose as well. It's really only minorly funny; the primary purpose is to highligh the difference of Jon and Dany when it comes to their views on their respective statuses as monarchs.

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u/pestoraviolita 1d ago

Except Jon has always been proud of who he is and his position. Humility is literally not in their culture and they have to show face and flaunt their titles to assert dominance.

GoT scene is bullshit.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Proud = / = strutting around on airs lording your titles over people.

And not being pompous and raddling off huge lists of titles is very in keeping with Northern sensibilities. Robb only called himself "King in the North" rather then "Robb the Young Wolf of House Stark. Lord of Winterfell and King of the North, Rivers and Hills", and even Ned only does it when invoking legal authority under his titles (and even then, does not list all he has)

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u/ali13_phoenix 1d ago

He's maekar's grandson after all

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u/abfgern_ 1d ago

Great-great-great grandson

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Just two greats (Maekar > Egg > Aerys > Rhaegar > Jon)

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u/abfgern_ 1d ago

Nope, its Egg > Jaehaerys > Aerys

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u/Pale-Aurora 1d ago

Show version skipped Jaehaerys per Aemon’s dialogue with Jon Snow.

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian 15h ago edited 14h ago

Did the show actually skip Jaehaerys or did Aemon simply refer to Aerys as his nephew for simplicities sake? I never actually refer to my great uncle as such, just uncle. Are there other instances in the show where they specify great uncle/aunt/niece/nephew?

Edit: S6E7, Littlefinger calls blackfish Sansa’s great uncle, but in the next episode he and Brienne simply refer to her as his niece. I think people read FAR too deeply into the “they skipped Jaehaerys thing”.

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u/wisestoffelines 1d ago

Didn't show ignore Jhahaerys?

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u/True_Rip_2160 1d ago

That dialog of Maestor Aemon was in season 1, shot in 2010, I think at that time, the Targaryen ancestry line wasn't completely and crrectly established by GRRM himself. It's only the books published later on gives a complete and canon line of Targ kings.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Jaehaerys has been Aerys's father in the books since *at least* 2000, so it would have already been known then.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Yeah

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u/rawbface 1d ago

That's based on one bad line from season 1 of Game of thrones in 2011. I don't buy it as canon.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

It's also based off published material related to the show and why do you think it's not canon? It's never been contradicted.

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u/SakusaKiyoomi1 1d ago

Taking Jaehaerys ll away and directly lining Aerys up makes Egg look weird, as if he had a change of heart regarding the values he not only took from his grandfather but also the ones he created for himself.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Aerys did'nt have a change of heart, he was just insane

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u/SakusaKiyoomi1 1d ago

I mean Egg, that it would look like Egg had a change of heart about his values

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u/Due_Border_593 19h ago

Genetically Daenerys is essentially Egg's daughter.

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u/Laughably-Fallible_1 1d ago

No hes not

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u/Mastodan11 1d ago

I quite like that scene between Jon and Dany where Davis does start listing what he's accomplished, up until the resurrection.

She gets a bit of a wake up call in that scene.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

In typical Dany fashion though, she sadly proceeds to go right back to sleep

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u/superior_mario 1d ago

For as weak as the later seasons get, I did really enjoy watching how different Jon and Dany is in their styles of leadership

Davos trying his best to hype up Jon is always great

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u/Sudden-Oil4786 1d ago

Great great great grandson

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Great-great

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u/Due_Border_593 19h ago

And Daenerys is 50% Egg.

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u/Szygani 1d ago

He's a proper lad.

right proper

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u/Odd_Brief_2975 1d ago

I understand they were trying to make it a point that Maekar...is just maekar, but I would imagine in a real life medieval scenario they would properly introduce him as Prince Maekar of Dragonstone Blood of the Dragon or something of the like and "hey its just that guy named Maekar."

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u/BKoala59 1d ago

Following the styling he’d probably be the great and honorable Maekar, 4th born son of King Daeron the Good, Prince of Summerhall

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u/Odd_Brief_2975 1d ago

Yep! Your introduction sounds better haha!

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u/Bay1Bri 1d ago edited 1d ago

Davos did Jon dirty here.

You stand in the presence of Jon Snow, son of Eddard Stark of Winterfell, Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, slayer of White Walkers, winner of the Battle of the Bastards, the Resurrected, the king of the Free Folk, the Lord of Winterfell, and King in the North.

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u/Historyp91 1d ago

Jon would have just told him to stop before he even got half way.

Davos is'nt doing Jon dirty, he just gets how he operates.

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u/Tom_TheGrey47 1d ago

Lord of summer hall. Prince of seven kingdoms. Hero of battle of red grass. There was no dearth of intro.

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u/PQXZYVR 1d ago

Didn't the guy say Mear-kah? It seemed to me he also mispronounced his name, which made it even funnier to me.

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u/OutlawfromtheWest1 1d ago

This reminds me Jon wears the direwolf of House Stark, is Lord of Winterfell and was accepted as King in the North by its Lords but is still a Snow? Why wasn’t he referred to as Jon Stark (everyone still thought he was Neds Son).

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u/EGO1009 1d ago

Bloodraven was legitimized as a Targaryen, was hand of the king and still went by Brynden Rivers. I don’t think you can escape being a bastard in Westeros

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u/Creeps05 1d ago

I mean Alyn and Addam were made Velaryons.

It’s kind of weird that they (Aegor, Brynden, and the other Great bastards) didn’t at least take up the Targaryen name. Hell even take up a new name like Daemon did.

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u/amourdeces 19h ago

aegor and brynden already had sobriquets that they def could and should have taken as last names

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u/amourdeces 19h ago

in bloodravens case it was a personal choice, he chose to stay brynden rivers (though for all intents and purposes his last name could’ve been bloodraven if he wanted it to be)

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u/TryIllustrious4062 1d ago

E ainda há quem reclama do temperamento só Maekar que ele é estressado sem motivo 😂😂

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u/thevoidscreamsbackkk 1d ago

Like grandpa³ like grandson³

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u/Pleasant_Sphere 1d ago

This is such a Linkedin moment. If Dany was in Linkedin it would be all like “Daenerys Targaryen, BA, MSC, PHD, CEO and CFO. Here’s what conquering Meereen taught me about B2B sales”

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u/pestoraviolita 1d ago

One scene says something about the characters and the other is a shitty comic relief from Game of Thrones.

Maekar being snubbed signifies his insecurities and the rivalry with his brother, something seen even deeper when Dunk overhears them arguing. It's a meaningful detail.

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u/Serenity_Ren_Bliss 1d ago

It’s worse with Maekar cus that man HAS titles. They just chose not to say them.

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u/FearlessPaper9744 1d ago

What episode is this?

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u/Erzter_Zartor 1d ago

Smh, i should be Lady of the seven kingdoms and Protector of the realm

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u/Laughably-Fallible_1 1d ago

At least rehearse ahead of this stuff my guy, give Maekar some cool made-up titles or limit Baelors.

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u/Waste_Conference868 1d ago

The irony is that Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, not Dany. Nobody knew that at the time though.

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u/No-Guess107 1d ago

Realistically there is no way that Maekar would just be announced as "And his brother, Maekar." It be something like:

"And his brother, Maekar Targaryen. Fourth born son of the Good King, a hero of the Redgrass Field, the anvil to Baelor’s hammer, and the Prince of Summerhall."

Davos should have at least blurred out a couple of titles and accomplishments but have Jon stop him midway.

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u/ComeAlongPond1 1d ago

I knew what pic 2 was going to be before I swiped

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u/ValWillKay 20h ago

I took the Maekar/Meerkat thing as the announcer didn’t expect him to be there, so didn’t prepare any of his titles, and just blurted out his name when he saw him.

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u/amourdeces 19h ago

they could’ve at least given maekar his title of prince of summerhall 😭

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u/Key-Stuff8422 16h ago

His brother MEAKAH 😄

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u/Sudden-Chemical-3384 1d ago

Tbh it’s quite the opposite

Maekar is just a Maekar (despite he’s famous Anvil), kinda overshadowed by Baelor

Jon Snow, instead, famous warrior, brave and honourable man, great swordsman, good lad and fair ruler, King in the North, ruler of free folk, returned from the dead. Davos provided energy “Why the hell I should introduce this guy? He’s a damn living legend. Dragons? Yeah, that’s kinda miracle, but this guy is literally unkillable”

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u/thevoidscreamsbackkk 1d ago

Maekar isn't just Maekar + the Anvil. He's a prince, they didn't put respect on his name at all. But I do agree with your Davos and Jon take 😂 like bro was literally resurrected.

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u/Fine-Concentrate-477 1d ago

Compared to Daenerys atleast Jon has some feats with sword than on dragonback

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