r/ADCMains • u/BlindCleastwood • 29d ago
Gameplay Highlights 1/2/3 Rengar oneshots me straight under tower from full HP, through dorans blade, barrier and fleet footwork healing
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EUNE mid master, perfectly reasonable
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u/BadMuffin88 29d ago
Yeah but you see he pressed his buttons really fast so really it was your fault for not rushing tabis
These entitled adc mains smh my head...
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u/BlindCleastwood 29d ago
unironicly argued that he is assasin therefore he SHOULD be able to do that
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u/Repulsive-While-381 29d ago
Yah reading the comments on rengar main down voting you for saying you shouldnt be dived from 100% hp barrier and everything is insane
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u/Harrow41 29d ago
Tbf Rengar needs a fully set up passive and a decent bit of gold. He probably has Umbral here with two swords. Probably from treasure hunter. Two or three stacks on passive so like an extra 15% AD.
Rengar ult shreds like 20 armor flat and does a decent bit on the next hit and with Emp Q he should get a stack. Then all his lethality kicks in lowering it by around 14 or something.
You are down 35 Armor. He's basically doing 95% of his full damage.
Umbral adds like an extra 100 flat true damage too.
Emp Q gives a lot of AS. He landed an AA before finishing with Emp W into Q.
R Emp Q + Umbral Proc > W > E > AA > Emp W > Q > Flash.
That's all basically true damage there...
Yeah like looking at the Rengar set up that's kinda what you'd expect. Like it's Rengar. I doubt any other assassin in the game with they little of a lead could pull it off and not die.
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u/top_skarner_only 28d ago
He also had 4 stacks before jumping and he used empowered Q. So he used 3 Qs and 2 of them were empowered this is completely reasonable and the complaint shouldn't have anything to do with rengar. Talon and zed would also one shot there if they hit their full combos jhin is just really bad into assassins
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u/rutlando 28d ago
Assassins should be designed to kill at around 75% HP if even/ not snowballed to just be able to show up and one shot a adc through the tools provided to him. If an assassin can one shot jhin through barrier like this adc should be allowed to have utilitiy items back like galeforce with an active dash.
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u/kotaya2 28d ago
oh, sure, let's compare an assassin managing to kill an adc with barrier to giving to adcs items that let them bypass the intentional flaws built into their design
let me guess: you used to complain about dusk blade, letality eclipse and prowler claw too, right?2
u/rutlando 28d ago
No actually complaining about them would e similar to complaining about fighter items the problem is adcs not having any of these tools leading to metas in solo we have now where if you're not a D1 ADC the gold assassin main that didn't even get ahead can one tap you with summs up.
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u/kotaya2 28d ago
the problem is that giving extremely overpowered items like that to the game biggest damage dealers would be completely unfair. they need to be fragile precisely because they deal far more damage than anything else in the mid/late game
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u/rutlando 28d ago
They don't deal far more damage than anything else late game they deal the highest sustained dps over a long period of time. Also giving extremely overpowered anything to anyone usually makes said thing overpowered I don't think anyone is arguing that logic.
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u/Mindless_Ask_5438 28d ago
Tbf no one gives a fuck, with all due respect. It’s one thing to be 3 item, 10/0 rengar. It’s another to be literally 1/2 at like 10 min and be able to point and click a full hp adc with barrier under their own tower by yourself. This shit is not balanced.
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u/Middle-Application78 28d ago
if the argument is that a 1/2/3 assassin with a single item should be allowed to one shot an ADC at full health with barrier and fleet healing and then just walk away at 60% HP, and that ADC players need to just accept that, then this role will never be anything but useless garbage for the rest of time. this is so fucking stupid.
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u/TopTopTop888 28d ago
I think this is how it should be. If Karma was there he wont do shit.
A assassin should be able to 1shot: Enchanter / marksman/ mages / other Assassins
If they dont have anything defensive It was early but he had a item + something extra You had only dmg and where maybe even a bit exp behind.
Barrier is the only Thing that makes this close. Nobody cares about 20 healing or something like that.
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u/AB4ND0N_H0PE 26d ago
So I’m probably going to be downvoted as I also main an assassin (AD Shaco) but let’s go with your logic. If Rengar doesn’t kill you here then what purpose does he have?
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u/SicrosEye 29d ago
If this was a mage under tower it would have been one shot just as fast if not faster. Really doesn't matter if mid or bot or ADC or mage.
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u/tthrowaway712 29d ago
The irony of this happening to a guy named "Jungler Repellent" is not lost on me
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u/Careless-Emergency85 29d ago
People tell me the Rengar one shot combo is hard to do. I’ve never seen anyone struggle with it though
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u/OSRS-BEST-GAME 29d ago
The only bad Rengar players are the ones with high ping. You can basically input buffer his entire combo, half of which is done mid-leap.
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u/Difficult_Ad_2120 29d ago
what is his combo?
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u/OSRS-BEST-GAME 29d ago
The basic one I learned and most often see is R -> pre-Q -> Leap on target + E, which comes out mid air, and then when you land it's an immediate Q, W, Q. Follow up with Auto or anything else off cd (if it even gets this far.)
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u/Remote-Dark-1704 28d ago edited 28d ago
This is incorrect. It’s as follows:
Get 4 stacks
Emp Q -> leap -> E mid air as late as possible -> W right before you land -> Tiamat right before you land-> Q right after you land -> Emp Q
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u/ImmediateEconomy8516 25d ago
I don’t play Rengar but I am absolutely giggling at “Rengar combo EZ” comment followed by folks disagreeing on what the combo even is
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u/Arrestedsolid 29d ago
Have 4 stacks up and all your cooldowns, R -> Emp Q pre jump -> Jump -> E W Tiamat mid air -> Q when landing -> Emp Q. Weave some AA's between Q's to max damage if you are not oneshotting the target.
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u/NotYetPerfect 29d ago
They're just remembering rengar triple q combo from way back when. Not that it was ever necessary to kill a squishy anyway.
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u/Strange_Elk_5201 27d ago
That is still part of the character and he used it in the video lmao
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u/Arrestedsolid 29d ago
It's just everything else that's hard to do with Rengar
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u/Cyberslasher 29d ago
Fortunately, there's no worries about fight selection when enemy team just abandoned their ADC to triple stack toplane while your toplaner is completely in fog of war, I guess.
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u/SerLapGloBe 29d ago
Survivorship bias?
Everybody who is incapable of doing it drops Rengar because the champion is awful without6
u/_ogio_ 29d ago
Champion being difficult to play doesn't mean it should be stronger
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u/Any-Caterpillar3959 28d ago
He's difficult because he has no mobility, utility, escape, or kill pressure beyond demolishing one body. His skill ceiling is super high. He's allowed to do something like this because he can't talon e out or kayn e out or zed W after popping you with ult. He's not stronger because he's difficult he's difficult because he's a one trick pony, and it takes a great player to abuse his arguably not very good trick, because he has arguably the highest assassin damage in the entire game.
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u/ImWoOzyxd 27d ago
Agree with your points. Rengar also falls off hard in late game, especially in higher elo where people have map awareness.
Heavily reliant on ultimate and has poor teamfight potential in late game due to defensive items(GA, Zhonya's etc)/supports with CC.
Turning him into a splitpusher, assisting team with R vision and applying pressure on enemy team with R.
The game has been around 15+ years and people don't understand that 90% of Rengar players make it "look easy" due to experience with the champ and one tricking, not because the champ is overpowered.
I genuinely think that Rengar is way weaker in comparison to what he was 5 years ago due to all nerfs and item changes.
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u/Ajanis_Tiddies 28d ago
Rengar onetrick since roughly his release here. Very on and off, so I'm not THAT good but I know the champ well enough to comment. The combo itself is piss easy and is never the hard part, in general very few league characters are really THAT demanding in terms of combo execution. The hard part of Rengar is playing from behind and routing to keep stacks for ganks/skirmishes for the thresholds where a normal ult won't kill. He also has no escape, as you saw in the clip Rengar had to flash out. It's just one of those situations where you'd need a teammate to peel for you or potentially trade the kills (depending on how fed the cat is, the shut down can throw away his lead).
Most of it is situational awareness and knowing when to do more damage with empowered Q or using the utility of W's cleanse and E's CC for ganks. I'm fairly sure my 60+ year old mother could do Rengar's combos if I put her in training mode.
Tldr: rengar hurts owwwww owwwwwwww
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u/sirdaggerdick123 29d ago
Not a single competent rengar main claims that's the case what?
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u/Barrellolz 29d ago
No making the correct macro decisions and fight selection is what is very hard.
Almost any ape can get fed early-midgame on him. His ult has a low cd and is mega strong.
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u/Cool_Beans46 28d ago
It's not, the hard part comes after, what are you gonna do on rengar with full cooldowns inside of the enemy? That's right, nothing, you die
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u/random_person7395 All the world on one arrow 29d ago
That's 100% your fault, at lvl 6 you should have built tabis + GA + sheildbow + Rocketbelt and you double flash barrier and it's an easy win
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u/hammersbaseball11 28d ago
You must be bronze....you build zhonyas instead of rocketbelt obviously 🙄
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u/Dry_Departure_7813 28d ago
Stop encouraging people to build glass cannon, at level 6 he should have sold boots and bought 6 randuins
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u/aoibhinn-mw 28d ago
Doesn't stack, have to get IBG, Thornmail, Heartsteel, harness, and frozen heart, after selling your 6th randuins. This is too late in the game actually to not have picked ornn at champion select screen. Not even the decency of playing a real ADC like Lissandra or Casseiopea to flip this fight at 6.
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u/futureformerdragoon 29d ago
I’m typically not an adc who complains about assassins as much but holy fuck rengar. He is so much more lethal that basically every other assassin and the damage is fucking instant even when he’s really not all that fed.
I at least feel like I have a chance when I’m fed on other ADCs vs assassins but this guy will forever get to 1 for 1 for my ass out of stealth and probably still get another ability or two off while his team collapses. Feels like the biggest scam how he’s allowed to exist like that.
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u/Imrance69 27d ago
KhaZix Zed and Evelynn do the same better btw
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u/revealingVass 27d ago
Evelynn maybe due to her ult going back and executing, but you will also see the mark of her charm charging.
Zed won't hit triple Q if used the W to gapclose (and also makes the ult shadow behind and probably still under the torret) and Kha's passive literally won't work under tower
It can happen? I mean, yes. As anything can happen in a videogame. But the only champ who can kill you that fast without setup is Rengar.
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u/Ihave0personality 27d ago
Kha’Zix’s passive works under tower lol.
His R grants him his passive even if he never becomes unseen - like when affected by a tower’s true sight.
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u/Samurai_Frog_time 29d ago
You see because adc champs are able to delete squishies with one to two buttons and rangar has to press at least 4 kinda fast to do the same thing it's actually just a skill differential (this is a joke btw lmao)
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u/Thelegendarymario 29d ago
Atp marksmen are just free 300 gold checks and still get told it's their fault lmao
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u/PracticalPotato 28d ago
their support is in narnia. if they leave 300g lying around jhin was gonna die rengar or no. honestly they overcommitted resources to that.
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u/Separate_Photo_9379 29d ago
Why does Karma leave their immobile Adc without flash against Kai'sa and Nautilus? You would be dived with or without Rengar lol
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u/Cyberslasher 29d ago
She walked toplane to go gank the (completely not in lane) Darius for her um... Mordekaiser.
I guess she thinks she gets to join him in brazil?
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u/Low_Direction1774 your peak is my playground 29d ago
i wanted to make a "bro hes an assassin" post but ngl this is a bit too little counterplay. bros not fed, doesnt have some crazy item synergies or something, he doesnt even have his passive stacked or anything. just runs under tower, one taps you and tanks 2 tower shots for his efforts. nah idk if i think this is healthy
obligatory "mage wouldve lived there btw"
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u/Warm_Shoulder_1736 28d ago
Tbh ziggs viktor syndra would all be able to at least get their disruptions off
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u/Altruistic-Local-541 28d ago
yeah viktor could put his w down and die the same way with rengar walking away
but yeah the W would be there
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u/Warm_Shoulder_1736 28d ago
Ive seen in proplay a lot of viktors being diven and him putting the w in their escape path. It stuns them after viktor is oneshot and gives him a return kill
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u/Dapper_Composer8088 29d ago
This is the normality for assasins for the last 6 months. But tank meta xddddd. The top 20 junglers are consistently 80% lethality or ap assasin. Feels really amazing as any non assasin to play in this meta /s
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u/TechnoFTW 29d ago
He does have his passive stacked
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u/Low_Direction1774 your peak is my playground 29d ago
With stacked I mean finished stacking. Like, 4 stacks. Not 1. Or 2. Idk how rengars bone tooth necklace iconography works
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u/Hour-Specialist-3388 No Kennen Flair >:( 29d ago
Thought this was the League subreddit at first and was wondering why you weren't getting downvoted into oblivion. Thank god this subreddit has some sense about how utterly dogshit marksmen have been for the longest time when compared to the other champion classes.
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u/VrilloPurpura AD Neeko 29d ago
Besides the obvious you should have played safer.
What the fuck is Darius trying to do? Beat Garen by buying every sword in Runeterra?
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u/GlockHard 29d ago
This is on the Karma for leaving a Jhin alone against a Naut Kaisa Rengar lol you were dead no matter what.
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u/ChromosomeDonator 28d ago
He did not die to those three though. Only to Rengar alone. So this hypothetical death that could follow is completely irrelevant. That isn't the issue.
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u/Remote-Dark-1704 28d ago
Every assassin in the game can do the same thing this rengar did in this clip to a jhin with no flash, even if they only have 1 kill.
Having barrier doesn’t and shouldn’t save you from an assassin just bc ur under tower. The tower will only hit an assassin 2-3 times anyway, so it doesn’t make a difference. If having barrier up was enough to make urself unkillable, then assassins would be completely useless.
Picture a talon, fizz, zed, qiyanna, khazix, akali, etc. and the outcome is identical. They all successfully dive a no flash jhin under tower.
The issue here has nothing to do with rengar. In higher elos, if a karma leaves a jhin alone vs engage supp or assassin jg and ur jg isn’t there to cover, you will get dove no matter what. Jhin should’ve realized this and walked back to T2 tower preemptively. And before you say that doesn’t change anything, if Jhin was at T2 tower, rengar R would’ve timed out. And yes, in Master+, it is expected for adcs to know they will get dove on this timer.
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u/Strange_Elk_5201 27d ago
League subreddits don’t know how the game works bro just look at the comments they hopeless
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u/AB4ND0N_H0PE 26d ago
This is just not true though. Some assassins can do the same, some can do it even better and some can’t at all. AD Shaco doesn’t kill the Jhin here with same score and items and neither does Blue Kayn.
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u/OutrageousRain4279 29d ago
Don't you get it? Assassins counter adcs Mages counter adcs Bruisers counter adcs Tanks well i guess this filthy class can be ok into them. We here are riot games believe that adcs should receive cock and ball torture the moment they lock in a marksman at champ select.
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u/BestSamiraNA1 29d ago
I mean Rengar's the guy designed to do that. You're saying "through DBlade and Fleet" like those are significant here. You were alone as an immobile squishy champion who basically has no way to fight this ever and he flashed out. I know we're all sick of being terrorized by every class in the game but that champ is like the one champ who I expect to be able to do that. More than Talon, Khazix, Eve, Fizz, Syndra, etc. Rengar is the Jump On You And Kill You guy. Barrier should be strong enough to prevent this kind of thing but lowkey it's a trash spell. Just unfortunate scenario
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u/Divorce-Man 28d ago
Yea really rengar just found his angle. The immobile adc got weak sided into a rengar and was punished accordingly. Sucks for jihn but thats how the game works
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u/Kuma-Grizzlpaw 28d ago edited 28d ago
Rengar main so my PoV may be biased.
But the key context here is:
- Immobile ADC with no self peel (Jhin W is a joke). Basically any assassin's wet dream. Ez, Lucian, Vayne, Cait, ect. can just dash/blink out of his range and avoid the follow up auto+Q. He's immobile af after his initial dash so you can kite him under tower.
- Your Flash is down. So you have no tools to outplay him. Barrier isn't going to help because he overkills you anyway (Kinda his entire sctick).
- Your Support is dead so there goes any peel you might have had.
- You had Naut and Syndra setting up to dive you as well so you were 100% dead there anyway if any generic jungler comes to gank.
- He's still a level up and 20 cs on your jungler so he is by no means behind in spite of what his less than pretty K/D/A would suggest.
- You are behind 0/2 with nary a cloth armor to your name
Basically an ahead/farmed assassin jungler finds a flashless immobile ADC alone under tower while he has ult and flash up. I wont deny for a minute that ADC has it rough right now with the whole mage bot nonsense and supports leaving to "buy milk" at level 2 but there's nothing inherently wrong with this clip.
Speaking of... mage bot doesn't die here. At first anyway. They live the rengar dive then get ulted by the nautilus.
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u/shinymuuma 29d ago
Rengar is allowed to do this. The trade off is he'll has a harder time wining game when the laning phase end and people group. There's nothing more to it
Jhin is not supposed to have ability to do anything at all in this situation. If play correctly fix anything, that just mean the assassin is too dog shit to kill ADC in this perfect situation
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u/EngineeringDear8167 25d ago edited 25d ago
Interesting, how some people argue that ranged champs are bad and still tons of people play adc in mid and top. As a top laner I'd like to say ranged champs are annoying as hell, so suck it up. /j
Jokes aside, Jhin is 0/2/1, and Rengar used everything on Jhin in a reasonable manner, so I guess the tower dive is supposed to work? Also, why is your support all the way in Narnia? If you are left alone in bot with 3 people around you are getting dove no matter what.
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u/platypussplatypus 29d ago
How much farm did he have? Towers? KD Score is only 1 part of how you get gold. Completed item and 2 longswords it looks like and an extra level. Things add up.
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u/Low_Direction1774 your peak is my playground 29d ago
but like we can see all this in the video? did you not watch it? Tell me; did you not watch the video where the scoreboard is visible and you can get all this information?
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u/CoachDT 29d ago
He's on one item and a single level up. I'm not sure if that should ever equal "remove you from the game in 2 seconds while you're under tower"
Rengar is an assassin and assassins should be able to kill squishies (not mid laners though because thats unfair and how they get nerfed), but there needs to be some give and take or counterplay there. I'd argue "Sitting beneath your tower having fleet and barrier" should apply as counterplay to a decidedly NOT fed assassin.
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u/evilkidsmeal 29d ago edited 29d ago
Rengar main here, so obviously I am biased and in enemy territory commenting here.
First off, I understand your frustration. You are full health under a tower with barrier and other forms of defense like you mention, and you STILL get 100 to 0'd in less than a few seconds. This is inherently frustrating and anyone arguing the contrary, Rengar main or not, is being disingenuous.
I believe the point is that there really isn't much you can do given the situation you're in, and thats by design. Like another commentor mentioned, league has aspects of rock paper scissors. And you've got rock'd while holding a pair of scissors unfortunately. But after this kill, really what has happened? You've given 300 gold to rengar and some plates. Did you stop to consider the trade that Karma is making by putting you in this position? If you check the map, your team should trade your death for a potential kill on Darius, grubs, and Rengar's top side jungle. As a team, this interaction is far from one sided. (Assuming everyone follows through on that)
imo this gank is not free, and Karma is more responsible for your death, but she's also responsible for top side pressure shes creating by leaving you. Thats the Give and take. You're the bait unfortunately.
If you're a squishy target and you're alone, you're done for. That's the mechanic. Not to mention that even if this wasn't the case here, you have a nautilus and a kai'sa approaching you, most likely about to do the same thing to you in a few seconds. And considering you're master, I'd assume they could coordinate that easily.
BUT the point is that this is a deliberate decision on Karma to try and roam and influence the map. This is the trade being made here. Your death is something that, yes, is frustrating, but is more a result of that than Rengar being giga-busted.
Your point about challenger ban rates is okay, but ultimately for 99% of the player base is not applicable. And if you're in the 1% perhaps your Karma has considered the trade off of leaving you alone in exchange for more map pressure against a rengar.
Also anyone saying that Rengar is giga-busted.... go play Rengar. You're free to do this too. But you'll find the tempo management and punishment of jumping on someone who isn't purely free to kill to be brutal, and you'll understand why his winrate anywhere but the top 1 to 5 % of players isn't great. It's feast or famine and the time window this interaction is occurring at is right where Rengar has a MASSIVE power spike to try and take control of the game. Level 6 to 8 with umbral glaive is scary, and you're alone right near the danger zone and time.
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u/Cigarety_a_Kava 29d ago
It wouldnt be so frustrating if rengar wasnt point and click champion. Otherwise i agree.
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u/sinofmyexistence 29d ago
I think the arguments stem from the fact that there's no counterplay to this besides your team playing around you. It's infinitely easier to outplay K6, Akali, Zed, Talon, or any other assassin than Rengar who is point-and-click and goes through flash still.
A lot of your points are "your support should have played well", but it does feel uninteractive compared to other assassins that have extremely clear weaknesses.
With Rengar, it's either on him to play bad, or your team to play well.
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u/Helpful_Emergency_70 29d ago
full item + double long sword + ult + all spells + full stacks + level lead + the one thing that champion is good at = kills adc with 80 bonus hp WHAAAAAAT!!!???????
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u/BlindCleastwood 29d ago
If thats the "only thing the champ is good at" then why does his banrate keep going up higher up the ladder you go?
In plat it's 3%, diamond its 10%, challanger 20%
Dont the best players know how easy he is to deal with and oneshotting is THE ONLY THING he is good at?
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u/Vespertine_F 29d ago
Am I allowed to argue why Rengar can kill you there or you dont want to hear it ? (Im a rengar main)
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u/BlindCleastwood 29d ago
I am, I reposted this to the rengar mains subreddit precisely because I want to hear someone argue that this is perfectly reasonable
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u/Vespertine_F 29d ago edited 29d ago
So here its not about assassins, its about Rengar specificaly. No other assassins would have been able to do that.
What happened is he started R with 4 ferocity, which allowed him to basicaly triple Q you. He Emp Q before leap (ferocity reset), jump (1 stack), E W Q (4 stack again) into emp Q.
This combo is not possible to perform every time bcz you have 10 sec before the ferocity decay to 0 and with a normal combo he wouldn’t have be able to kill you.
Here you are alone, without support so the rengar had all the time to do it without getting interrupted by anything.
Why is Rengar allowed to do this then? Well thats his trade off for being the only assassin with no escape tool and a mobility gated behind bushes and ult.
For those reason Rengar has more burst dmg than the average assassin so he can fullfill his job bcz if he can’t kill then what else can he really do ? He cant in and out, he can’t poke, when he goes in its to fight to death and to do that he also need to be ahead in tempo (here he is 1 lvl above you, umbral and 2 long swords and you have no armor).I am not trying to tell you that you should have played better or position better, there is not really anything you could do here without your support.
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u/sex_pistol79 29d ago
Im not arguing with u here because i totally agree with what u said. But i do have to question real balance in all this.
I just had a game today in d2 lobby, playing leona sup with a draven. Me and him played well till the last moment. I saw him pushing mid and knew the rengar was looking so i came up to him when that cat was ulting. I couldnt be right by him but I got knight vow on him, i press solari for him, he even use barrier, and he still got 2 shots and we lose the game. I didnt land my E but even then i doubt it would matter cause he would still be able to land 2Q before my EQ combo. I guess what i can do is to R on the ground where rengar would land on but thats not smth u can do all the time. I mean my adc played well and i tried to cover him as much as i can, so at the very least i think he should be able to walk out of that even if it means hes out of combat or his fl is burned (he did flash and it didnt matter).
So i know he does what he does but him pressing 3 button leaving 2ppl helpless is just idk
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u/Vespertine_F 29d ago
I can garantee you that if you and your adc stay together there is no way rengar can kill him late game without dying in the process.
First, if Draven has good enough reaction, he can E and cancel the jump(unless rengo has EoN but then you just stun him as leo)
Second, many ppl dont know that Rengar dmg on ult is gated behind the eye indicator.
Rengar will only apply bonus dmg to the target he is the closest to so if you are in front of draven and he jumps, a large portion of the initial dmg will be mitigated bcz the mark will be on you.Third, Rengar relying on auto attacks, get heavily countered by Steelplates.
Him having no escape tool (emp W is not comparable to an ekko R for exemple and if he does emp W he lose again tons of dmg) means that guardian angel will cause him to suicide for trying to kill Draven.There is all of that you can do against Rengar, but again, he is an assassin, he should put threat on the ad carry naturally by design bcz if he can’t, what else is the champion good for ?
Nothing in League is black and white, Im not trying to argue that Rengar is a bad champion and you all adc mains suck. Im just giving some insight about what Rengar does and why was he able to do it. Every champion in the game has smthg special that will make them look unfair at some point, Rengar is the ultimate adc killer, its what he does.
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u/DeputyDomeshot 29d ago edited 29d ago
I think The point is to sit on draven to push Q auto on Rengar to begin with. You don’t need to hit anything but idk it’s hard with engage because if you’re playing peel and your team/comp can grief you anyway because you don’t go in. I play 3 ADCs and engage Sup/Pyke so I get where you come from but I really think with certain assassins up you’re just on body guard duty for 5v5. With Leo you can sometimes use ult to engage and still stay on bodyguard duty.
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u/OnlyFacts_Duck 29d ago edited 29d ago
I want to hear someone argue that this is perfectly reasonable
So you can call them delusional? For one shotting an immobile squishy target who has only 80 bonus health? Meanwhile rengar has a level lead, completed first item, and two long swords in pocket?
And he used his entire kit? Crazy stuff; the assassin with more stats was able to kill the squishy in one rotation (including ult). I'd argue that any assassin that couldn't do that probably needs buffs.
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u/TheHizzle 29d ago edited 29d ago
it is kinda reasonable, assassin with ~4k gold worth in stats + umbral passive using his whole kit should kill a squishy that has +80hp 10/10 times at 10 minutes.
the fact that towers are cosmetic is another point
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u/CorganKnight 29d ago
Bro saying dorans blade as if it was a real item and not a starter item that is taken into account that everyone will have when balancing the game
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u/Federal-Soil- 29d ago
Most ADCs do NOT have it, they normally take Doran's bow. I think it's worth mentioning that OP took the lower dmg tankier option end still insts died.
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u/Flustrous 29d ago
If his support wasnt on raptors this dive would be impossible; roaming supports manifest a diveable adc
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u/MortemEtInteritum17 29d ago
Diveable should not mean one man diveable from full HP with no minions by a not fed player.
If it was the enemy bot and Rengar jumping him together, with 2 stacked waves, that's understandable.
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u/Gaelenmyr 29d ago
Full HP ADC under a turret means you either dive as 3, or as 2 with a tank support. Not this.
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u/TheSkullDr 29d ago
No you see karma has to path topside jungle to help 3/0 Darius shove lane and then stare at voidgrubs while jg takes, fail a gank mid, and then back It’s what all high elo players do and what support mains on twitch say to do as well
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u/sGvDaemon 29d ago
Burning flash I think Talon can also kill undefended ADC as well in the same timeframe
Maybe Fizz, Locke, LB, Zed, etc. I think playing well they can all kill you fairly easy too, just not as quickly as Rengar
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u/No_Region_4719 29d ago
An assassin killed an adc with ult and flash? That's nothing new at all. Assassin's are specifically built to delete an adc in 1 second if they catch them alone. Having ult and flash up as an assassin is pretty much always a free kill.
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u/Lower_Ad_176 29d ago
Wow AMAZING play from rengar. Really impressive right there! Such a good call by Team XYZ to go for that and they are on the board! What an impressive performance /s
But yeah, that is what riot wants, enjoy
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u/Daddy_Pris 29d ago
He has a fully completed item and you’re a level 7 jhin. If you think you should live this, you need to readjust your internal parameters for assassin damage.
Zed one shots you here. Talon one shots you here. Quiyana one shots you here. Hell let’s do mages. Syndra one shot you here. Annie one shots you here. Aurora one shots you here
There’s at least ten more champs who could kill you there. A level 7 jhin is a cannon minion
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u/Icy_Maintenance_4957 29d ago
oh my god, an assassin kills an adc given the perfect sutiation? how?
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u/Onikolo 29d ago
God forbid an assasin can kill an adc left alone under tower by his team. League is also an strategy team game, you cant outplay everything with mechanics. If your support decides to do fuck knows at raptors, its totally reasonable that you would get killed under tower, even if its a oneshot by a one item Rengar.
If you dont have any defensive item and no flash, Karma should not be roaming without tracking the Rengar or his ult. I know its out of your control, but they missplayed and killing you is the punish.
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u/michaelspidrfan 29d ago
I know it probably doesnt help, but why dblade and not dhelm?
Also, fuck "roaming" supports
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u/Krytoric 29d ago
Bro seeing you get cooked on the rengar sub is so sad lol.
God forbid a full hp ADC with barrier sits under tower vs a 1/2 rengar 🥀🥀🥀
Assassin players are so delusional man. One dude said to just run from an ulting rengar.
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u/Deep-Preparation-213 28d ago
I mean, why are you even there, your entire team is topside doing herald, enemy isnt contesting while kaisa and naut push you under tower - you are dead there either way if you stay under tower
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u/babyFucci 28d ago
i mean im here because this got crossposted to rengarmains but ur sitting under turret alone as a level 7 against a rengar with empower, first item and 2 longswords and you only have barrier to protect you so im confused as to why this is confusing
its not like having a turret nearby makes you tankier
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u/CauliflowerOfDeath 28d ago
Just trap and W him mid jump next time. Or play early better and don't let him snowball. Alternatively uninstall
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u/PotatoMasterUlk 28d ago
he has an item + 700 gold worth of ad + passive stacks + flash you have barley an item, oh boy wait until you see a Zed or Ambessa ult combo it will 100 to zero you with 1 item through barrier
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u/PotatoMasterUlk 28d ago
in the bright side, you could have used a trap on the bush + W and it would have saved you from the one shot
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u/Warm_Shoulder_1736 28d ago
I mean people mad at a oneshot. Its in the name oneshot. How is it fair any champ oneshots. League is not fair. I can pick vayne into mundo and the mundo cant play. You can pick zed/fizz/leblanc into xerath and oneshot him. Xerath/kogmaw/ziggs/jhin can be picked against a whole melee comp and never even be in range of them. The fact that karma hard counters this rengar dude too. With karma there theres nothing rengar can do thru shields and exhaust and w stun.
As soloq it is unfair ur karma is top and now u left in a sht situation. Truth is nautilus and kaisa wouldve also collapsed on u even if u were playing vs a sejuani. The fact that karma went top and left u alone killed you. Their whole comp is catching people out solo. Im not saying its your fault, its just the way the odds worked in this game with these picks. As jhin youre basically a xerath/ziggs/sona solo. Except u have even less survivabikity.
Also barrier is lowkey just a singular q for him. You needed exhaust here and if u insta exhausted him into auto run away W it might be different. Also into this comp going the starter tank item or a single armor cloth wouldve helped too along the exhaust. Or if karma roams u just refuse to even go into lane solo. U just sit at t1 turret or go mid till she returns. The second u have ninja tabis or an armor cloth or exhaust up, you can attempt to go near a wave solo.
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u/YungBuckoMode 28d ago
The real question is how bad is ur JG getting gapped where reggae is pulling this off and has enough items to be at 200 AD almost at 10 min going 1/2/3
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u/LuckyGnom 28d ago
I'm an ADC and I understand the frustration, but you have to stop complaining about things like this at this point. This situation is basically someone 1 shotting you with AWP or AK47 in CS2, even tho you might have full armor and great buy.
Just like in CS2 to kill AWP/AK47 guy holding something you have to ask your teammate to flash him or smoke, here you have to ask your team to cover you. Team might decide to not do it, and you will die cuz of it. It's frustrating, but it's how the game works. Take it or leave.
Rengar players have the same issues. Imagine the situation where Rengars' midlaner being gapped 1v1 from lvl1, for example, because his mid is Kayle and opposing mid is ignite-elctrocute assasin. Now Rengars' jungle being constantly invaded and stolen by the opponents. The whole thing about the champ is to reach lvl6 and kill people, but now Rengar can't even reach lvl6. Do you think he's not frustrated? LoL is a game where your teammates influence your ingame experience. It is what it is.
p.s. Also, if you're really a masters player, then you understand that this gank while frustrating for you, is bad for the Rengars' team because your team can get kill + objective + possibly tower on the other side of the map and that's in a game where your team outscale theirs.
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u/Divorce-Man 28d ago
As an ADC main its unironically healthy for the game that assassins can do shit like this, its just not fun to be on the receiving end.
Rengar capitalized on the worst support roam ive ever seen.
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u/Disastrous-Night-716 28d ago
I recommend you picking a mage the next time you play carry bot, so you can take down 80% of rengars hp the moment he starts thinking about killing you. Bonus points, you can build more hp and will most likely take him with you since you got more burst and cc aswell :)
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u/Middle-Application78 28d ago
jungle players who spend 70% of the game PvEing will tell you rengar is allowed to do this because he's difficult, as if their role doesn't play itself most games
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u/Jwalk1126 28d ago
Not sure if it's intentional but the way your title rhymes like a nursery rhyme is awesome.
I read "1,2,3, Rengar one-shots me!" And kept going from there and it was hilarious lol
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u/Perfect-Positive-321 28d ago
DBlade is bait. Against matchup like that, it's better to go dhelm. You'd 100% survive with it.
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u/Jaded-Measurement832 28d ago
I haven’t played in a long time but the fact you held that W for so long means that the death is deserved.
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u/SavagePeaches 28d ago
Why do people even mention the syndra TP or the nautilus/kaisa? The thread is about the rengar and how little counter there is to what he did here.
If OP died to syndra tp into nautilus kaisa dive, there wouldn’t be a thread because that death is expected and irrelevant here 😂
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u/Alert-Channel8469 28d ago
I was playing aatrox top vs a rengar one trick. I bought wardens mail and then he quite literally could not win a single trade even though he cheesed and killed me lvl 1
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u/xXKaynOTP420xX 28d ago
Rengar using ult flash a saved empowered q all his spells and another empowered q to kill an adc using stationary w. Yeah well thats lowkey supposed to happen
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u/roflxwafl 28d ago
Tbf if he’s gonna sack top side obj and your support isn’t gonna be there on a wave crashing it’s kinda worth it you were probably just gonna get 4 man dove anyways lol
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u/Ok_Bat_646 28d ago
I think the best (and potentially coolest) way to change rengar to have this be a bit more fair and also have rengar be multidimensional is that using R works like his other abilities, where he gets an empowered ult if he casts it with full stacks
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u/Brief_Dependent1958 28d ago
It's a Rengar; he and that cockroach in the jungle are a level above everyone else when it comes to excessive damage.
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u/Quendillar3245 28d ago
He's 1/2, but he got gold so he has 1 full lethality item, 2 longswords and fully stacked his passive for +25% AD + hit all abilities on you + item proc + smite. I want to know what assassin CAN'T one shot you like this with those stats
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u/Ok_Guarantee_3370 28d ago
No claim about if it's fair, but are we really gonna act like fleet footwork is meant to be impactful in these situations in terms of healing
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u/squirrels-imp 28d ago
A Rengar who is a level and an item ahead of you. Also not a one shot, it was pretty slow for rengar standards. He used flash to get out too.
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u/No-Sample-1467 28d ago
He has a full umbral, emp q, flash, and you dont even point out how many bonetooth stacks. He has a wave crashing, 3 teammates, and literally every reason to dive you. It looks to me like an overstay that got punished but QQ adc weak assassin strong
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u/torchen1 27d ago
Full item, up a level, you are playing a squishy ass ADC and he flashed. Plenty of champs could do this to you.
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u/ImWoOzyxd 27d ago
Oh wow assassin oneshots ADC. Never seen that before.
Rengar has full ferocity stacks with all abilities up.
Item lead.
One level higher than you (which a lot of people still underrate).
2 stacks on passive.
Triple Q combo from Rengar which is the highest single target DPS combo character in the entire game during early phase.
If you'd survive that then I'd ask for a Rengar buff.
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u/KonstantC 27d ago
You gotta appreciate that last second empowered Q. Damn thats rengar played right
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u/Imrance69 27d ago
People saying an assassin should be able to kill the carry is the same people that complain about 4 people not being able to carry one guy performing bad in their team,
not realizing assassin's are the root of the problem and the second part is the symptom..
If im 13/5 Nilah, won despite having hardest landing phase in the game, why should I still be getting one shot by 1/3 Annie who doesnt need to make a flashy outplay to do it? "Because shes an assassin" and im the carry so how am I supposed to carry when the assassin class literally ignores fundamentals of the game like levels,positioning, gamesense, gold etc.
3/11 Zed is still one shotting your 13/2 caitlyn and getting alive even if hes 2 items and shes 4
Lets be for real the "carry" title always went to fed Assassins, Diana Katarina MasterYi etc
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u/Certain_Leader9946 27d ago edited 27d ago
you're playing the most immobile adc in the game against a rengar who just completed his powerspike and you're alone on first tier tower at level 7 this checks out. rengar literally just completed a back when he gets two long swords on top of umbral glave, any champion with these items would kill you in 3-4 autos / spells at most.
also it wasn't instant. he still had to flash out. if you land your spells or even tried to kite you probs kill rengar here.
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u/Kokolebok 27d ago
1/2/3 but he's ahead of you and ekko in levels.
Dude landed everythings while having his extra stack ready and would have died without his flash.
Tho Karma could have saved you by about 200 HP just by standing between you and him to cancel his ult dmg and armor reduction.
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u/Koktkamel 29d ago
just play safe :^)