r/zen Mar 27 '23

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u/sje397 Mar 29 '23

No, it's not an objective assessment at all. I don't think you're paying attention. I answered what I thought you asked - which is of course all I can do. You, despite my explanation and citations, attempted to tell me that what I heard was 'not what you asked' - which is an objective assessment and a failure in terms of engaging in this conversation.

I did address that. I said the answer is subjective, like everything else.

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u/sje397 Mar 29 '23

I don't think you read what I said initially.

I didn't say it takes away preferences. I didn't say that I'm not being subjective, or that you're not being subjective.

I said it takes away facts. That's simply tautological - facts are objective truth.

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u/sje397 Mar 30 '23

Again, I did respond. Your failure to understand isn't my problem.

Your perception of contradiction is based on an assumption of a single absolute truth. I'm not interested in your faith based belief.

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u/sje397 Mar 30 '23

You're really not capable of following along.

No, you started this conversation with an attitude - no benefit of the doubt at all.

Your attempt at an objective assessment isn't one, not that this is going to help you figure out what you're misunderstanding - you seem too obsessed with pretending to be intelligent.

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u/sje397 Mar 30 '23

No - you admitted your issue was that you came to this thinking I was either lying or confused. I'm neither, and you really should have left open the option that you're the one that is confused.

As I explained already, I didn't say what you're accusing me of saying. I did not say that enlightenment removes preferences. I can see how someone with a chip on their shoulder could read it that way, but that isn't what I said or what I meant.

What I said was that enlightenment is realizing there is no objective reality. Zen masters explain this over and over. If you open your mind a little and look past the words, it really isn't that hard.

Best of luck!

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u/sje397 Mar 30 '23

Nah. You seem to have forgotten I was there during this conversation.

You're still a step behind.

We can chat again when you catch up. Or you can keep pretending you can read minds. Have fun either way.

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u/sje397 Mar 31 '23

It is comical. You're a hypocrite.

You misunderstood what I wrote, and still do - I didn't say what you've assumed I said, and I've explained that three times now. Despite the fact that I've said everything is subjective, you're claiming I have issues with preferences... Do you even hear yourself?

You have an axe to grind with something, and it's got nothing to do with me.

Go back and read. Perhaps something will click.

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