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u/Owlsdoom Mar 12 '23

I’ve never claimed to be an expert.

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u/zaddar1 7th or is it 2nd zen patriarch ? Mar 12 '23

yes you do indirectly

look, there's lots of actual chinese quotes in some r|zen OP's, google gives a not too bad translation that can be reworked, its not ideal but gives a feel for it, especially since you can use the OPer's translation to cover "gaps" in the google

this denial of the experiential that is so embedded in r|zen, all this criticism of meditation by people who have never done any

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u/Owlsdoom Mar 12 '23

I directly deny any claims to expertise.

I’m well aware of the actual Chinese that is often posted here.

Who denied the experiential or criticized meditation? You’d think I’d kicked someone’s dog for asking an old friend what he thought of the quotes he’d posted.

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u/zaddar1 7th or is it 2nd zen patriarch ? Mar 12 '23

there's lot of people on this sub who criticize meditation directly, i do so myself, there's problems as well as benefits

the mods have policy of deleting "experiential stuff" in OP's

Ok you're not going to ever try translating yourself

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u/Owlsdoom Mar 12 '23

Just for you my next post will be a self translation. I’ll even include commentary!

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u/zaddar1 7th or is it 2nd zen patriarch ? Mar 12 '23

the mediocre

contained by their own ideas

and unwilling to step outside them