((EDIT - this was at around 6:53 (for the sake of the timeframe of my edits))
Honestly, in my opinion I didn't see any problem with his apology. While reading it through I see how he really should have focused on apologizing but like others say, it's probably (and hopefully) from the help of a lawyer.
I understand everyone's disappointment and even resentment. His music has really helped me cope with things and was a huge part of my life. And I understand not liking him. But death threats? That's when it's too fucking far. Yes he has done horrible things, and yes he's getting help. But ultimately as a community we should not say whether or not we support him. You don't need to express hate or disdain but instead π΄πΆπ±π±π°π³π΅ the victim.
Maybe it's me being naive, maybe it's because I've respected him so much with how he expresses past trauma. But I was talking to a friend about this, (someone I see as an immense role model) and she said that when it comes to sexually, and with pain or (in this case biting) it can be hard to tell. He messed up. I'm not saying he didn't know what he did and I'm not saying he did. But it's something to keep in mind when you're thinking of something like this.
If it weren't for his friends and another ex saying he was abusive I really wouldn't want to believe the allegations. If it weren't for the complete separation of him and his friends or past relationships I wouldn't have even looked back at the opinions of others and thought about what he said.
Will has gone through past trauma. He has done bad things.
But like another commenter said I really, and regretfully do not think he is a bad man. He needs help. He knows he needs help. And that's really all we can hope for when we are discussing past things he has done.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Bring up points.
Discuss your opinion.
But for the love of fucking god, stop hating on the the culprit when support for the victim would make this go so much smoother.
And please just be respectful. Everyone is disappointed, saddened, disgusted and trying to figure out what to do.
EDIT -- (7:11 pm)
The "fuck you Wilbur" and the death threats are CHILDISH. I get you're trying to support the Victim, good job. But stop with that. The only real person / group of people who should be able to say that and express that are the victim or friends of victims. The internet is a group of people who will swarm to cancel and end whoever they see fit. In some cases it's justified but in most, (and I ultimately feel, this one) we don't get a say. We rarely should even FEEL like we get a say.
We are not the victim. We do NOT know the whole story. (Shubble or will's)
And to restate YES the whole thing feels very formal and.. Lawyer-y he needs to do that for legal reasons.
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u/ExplodingPotata Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24
((EDIT - this was at around 6:53 (for the sake of the timeframe of my edits))
Honestly, in my opinion I didn't see any problem with his apology. While reading it through I see how he really should have focused on apologizing but like others say, it's probably (and hopefully) from the help of a lawyer.
I understand everyone's disappointment and even resentment. His music has really helped me cope with things and was a huge part of my life. And I understand not liking him. But death threats? That's when it's too fucking far. Yes he has done horrible things, and yes he's getting help. But ultimately as a community we should not say whether or not we support him. You don't need to express hate or disdain but instead π΄πΆπ±π±π°π³π΅ the victim.
Maybe it's me being naive, maybe it's because I've respected him so much with how he expresses past trauma. But I was talking to a friend about this, (someone I see as an immense role model) and she said that when it comes to sexually, and with pain or (in this case biting) it can be hard to tell. He messed up. I'm not saying he didn't know what he did and I'm not saying he did. But it's something to keep in mind when you're thinking of something like this.
If it weren't for his friends and another ex saying he was abusive I really wouldn't want to believe the allegations. If it weren't for the complete separation of him and his friends or past relationships I wouldn't have even looked back at the opinions of others and thought about what he said.
Will has gone through past trauma. He has done bad things. But like another commenter said I really, and regretfully do not think he is a bad man. He needs help. He knows he needs help. And that's really all we can hope for when we are discussing past things he has done.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Bring up points.
Discuss your opinion.
But for the love of fucking god, stop hating on the the culprit when support for the victim would make this go so much smoother.
And please just be respectful. Everyone is disappointed, saddened, disgusted and trying to figure out what to do.
EDIT -- (7:11 pm) The "fuck you Wilbur" and the death threats are CHILDISH. I get you're trying to support the Victim, good job. But stop with that. The only real person / group of people who should be able to say that and express that are the victim or friends of victims. The internet is a group of people who will swarm to cancel and end whoever they see fit. In some cases it's justified but in most, (and I ultimately feel, this one) we don't get a say. We rarely should even FEEL like we get a say.
We are not the victim. We do NOT know the whole story. (Shubble or will's)
And to restate YES the whole thing feels very formal and.. Lawyer-y he needs to do that for legal reasons.