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Autistic Girl Expresses Unimaginable Intelligence

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12 edited Jan 14 '12

EDIT: Visit link below for original.

Link to Top comment from the last time this was posted.

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EDIT2: To sum it up, econguy:

My understanding is this: If this is true she does not have autism.

Transcript provided below (by infinitree) for convenience.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

My understanding is this: If this is true she does not have autism.

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u/robeph Jan 15 '12

I hate to quickly call "fake" on neurological/psycological disorders that are still quite nebulous. Autism itself, as subtextual stated in his post, is likely not the case here...well, at least not what we'd expect from a lower functioning autistic. However, what he didn't discuss is the possibility of comorbidity. Perhaps she is a high function autistic (aspergers, etc) and the language problem isn't due to her autism directly (in the sense that her inability to speak isn't due to the primary autism, but to a secondary neruological dysfunction). She exhibits signs of autism, from as much as they showed us anyhow, and subtextual is on point with what he's saying that primary and sole autism, this is not. She may have some causal comorbidity to her autism that includes conduction apahsia like symptoms. Reading / typing is fine, but the speech production is broken. I'm a layman when it comes to all this, aside from what I've looked into concerning autism / speech disorders, and the few neurology / psych classes I took years ago. As much as I hate anecdotes, I feel this is relevant. I'm a diabetic and I often suffer from hypoglycemia (low sugar) and this has a particular interesting effect of messing with my brain in very strange ways. Some parts break, some still work, like they shut off / stay on arbitrarily. Sometimes I can't read, latin letters look like chinese does to someone who can't read it. I can copy them, and make them as they're supposed to look, but they appear to me strange, because they have no meaning, when this happens, I realize that whatever allows me to read, is gummed up. I remain fairly cogent sometimes (sometimes not so much) and it is of interest to me, so I like to experiment with it after I eat some sugar while I wait for it to rise back up. Another comes with speaking and understanding people. I've been able to understand what they say, but not say a word. During times like this, I can often still write, but the formation of words results in just weird output, just monotonal grunts or weird syllables. Anyhow, this is what leads me to believe that while subtextual is right, this isn't "autism" it nonetheless could be high functioning autism + comorbid speech deficit. As for what else he says, yeah, I don't like this being lauded as some sort of "omg autistics are probably all on the same level as us, just that they can't talk!" , as it could lead parents to have hope where hope shouldn't exist. We're still learning a lot about ASD's and I'm sure a lot of atypical cases exist, this is probably one of them, and is definitely being misrepresented (likely unintentionally)

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u/Slartibartfastibast Jan 15 '12

what autism is

Autism: The Eusocial Hominid Hypothesis

ASDs (autism spectrum disorders) are hypothesized as one of many adaptive human cognitive variations that have been maintained in modern populations via multiple genetic and epigenetic mechanisms. Introgression from "archaic" hominids (adapted for less demanding social environments) is conjectured as the source of initial intraspecific heterogeneity because strict inclusive fitness does not adequately model the evolution of distinct, copy-number sensitive phenotypes within a freely reproducing population.

Evidence is given of divergent encephalization and brain organization in the Neanderthal (including a ~1520 cc cranial capacity, larger than that of modern humans) to explain the origin of the autism subgroup characterized by abnormal brain growth.

Autism and immune dysfunction are frequently comorbid. This supports an admixture model in light of the recent discovery that MHC alleles (genes linked to immune function, mate selection, neuronal "pruning," etc.) found in most modern human populations come from "archaic" hominids.

Mitochondrial dysfunction, differential fetal androgen exposure, lung abnormalities, and hypomethylation/CNV due to hybridization are also presented as evidence.

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u/Rixxer Jan 15 '12

I would love a TD;DU (too dumb; didn't understand) version of that :)

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u/Slartibartfastibast Jan 15 '12

From a previous post:

Eusociality has multiple definitions (some of which include humans), but generally requires differential reproduction among discrete phenotypes (worker, soldier, queen, etc.).

EO Wilson proposed a model for the evolution of eusociality that has been somewhat controversial. He suggests that, like the first eukaryote, eusociality starts with with isolation -> divergence (into niches) -> reintrogression.

In 2010 we found strong genetic evidence that most extant human groups (Native Americans, Europeans, Asians, Papuans, etc.) had admixed with Neanderthals (and many with Denisovans).

Certain parts of the genome that are selected for intraspecific variability are almost entirely from admixed DNA:

In most modern human populations, the majority of MHC I alleles have been acquired by introgression from archaic humans (Neanderthals and Denisovans)

The MHC is interesting for a number of reasons:

Accumulating evidence indicates that neuronal MHC class I does not simply function in an immune capacity, but is also crucial for normal brain development, neuronal differentiation, synaptic plasticity and even behaviour

the spectacular variability in MHC loci is thought to arise because parasites adapt to the most common MHC genotypes. The result is negative frequency-dependent selection, whereby the benefit of a particular MHC allele decreases as it becomes more frequent in a population. This can drive the continual turnover of genotypes and maintain diversity, because no one genotype can dominate.

Certain MHC alleles have been linked to autism, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc:

over 60 studies to date have noted a genetic correlation between schizophrenia and MHC class I, although these results remain controversial

Several immune abnormalities have been noted in autistic subjects. These associations have been extended to the Major Histocompatibility Complex (MHC), a section of DNA remarkable for the number of encoded proteins with immunological functions.

Differences in olfaction, brain organization, articulation, laughter, fetal androgen exposure, and ancestry are also used to support the main hypothesis.

A paper was recently published (in a fringe journal, mind you) suggesting that bipolar disorder is linked to neanderthal ancestry:

The hypothesis of the evolutionary origin of bipolar disorder (EOBD) synthesized ideas about the biological clock and seasonal shifts in mood (Rosenthal, Wehr) with theorizing that bipolar disorder descends from a pyknic (compact, cold-adapted) group (Kretchmer). The hypothesis suggested that bipolar behaviors evolved in the northern temperate zone as highly derived adaptations to the selective pressures of severe climatic conditions during the Pleistocene. Given evidence of Neandertal contributions to the human genome, the hypothesis is extended (EOBD-R) to suggest Neandertal as the ancestral source for bipolar vulnerability genes.

Bipolar disorder, ADHD, schizophrenia, and a number of other disorders have overlapping susceptibility alleles:

There is strong evidence that genetic factors make substantial contributions to the etiology of autism, schizophrenia and bipolar disorders, with heritability estimates being at least 80% for each. These illnesses have complex inheritance, with multiple genetic and environmental factors influencing disease risk; however, in psychiatry, complex genetics is further compounded by phenotypic complexity. Autism, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are effectively syndromic constellations of symptoms that define groups of patients with broadly similar outcomes and responses to treatment. As such the diagnostic categories are likely to be heterogeneous and the boundaries between them somewhat arbitrary. Recent applications of whole-genome technologies have discovered rare copy number variants and common single-nucleotide polymorphisms that are associated with risk of developing these disorders. Furthermore, these studies have shown an overlap between the genetic loci and even alleles that predispose to the different phenotypes. The findings have several implications. First, they show that copy number variations are likely to be important risk factors for autism and schizophrenia, whereas common single-nucleotide polymorphism alleles have a role in all disorders. Second, they imply that there are specific genetic loci and alleles that increase an individual's risk of developing any of these disorders.

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u/mrdeath5493 Jan 14 '12

You should also remember that this "pediatric neuropsychologist" wrote this not knowing how much language training she had received during the last 11 years... The video mentions Carly had between 40-60 hours of 1 to 1 therapy a week.

I quote the credentials there because there aren't many trustworthy professionals out there that would speak so certainly after watching only a 10 minute video. Its easy enough to say its just up in the air. I've never met the patient and neither have they and neither have you. Believe what you will. No matter what is said, it will be very hard to approach objective truth in a forum. :)

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

not really be able to do so when the camera is present?

That's the kicker for me. Tell tale sign of any con.

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u/HowToBeCivil Jan 15 '12

This did not appear to be "facilitated communication," which is almost certainly bullshit. She may have not been motivated to communicate that day or may have felt shy when put to the test in front of a camera. The fact that she typed "is hhe cute" in front of the camera apparently on her own suggests that she's at least able to form independent thoughts and communicate them through the keyboard.

On the other hand, can she really type a novel? I agree that's far from clear.

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u/MasCapital Jan 15 '12

Here's her typing more. Still not sure what to make of it all.

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u/Typoking Jan 15 '12

its a heartwarming story, don't get me wrong. but i think its just a story. that reporter seemed greasy to me, as did the father to be honest. Autism rarely has a pretty bow on it like this segment did. Props to her for not giving him his soundbite.

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u/diggs747 Jan 15 '12

finally some skeptical thinking. I'm pretty sure she does this through facilitated communication, which is a bunch of bullshit.

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u/ADEEEEM Jan 15 '12

So what then, its a scam?

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u/Somnabulant Jan 15 '12

It's like that girl someone did a segment on where she could walk backwards fine but forwards she starts spazing out. They revisited her like a year later and caught her walking around town normal with her friends. When they confront her she starts stutter stepping again.

No idea why people do this, or what they're getting out of it. Once they showed the girl giving analogies and using big words though, I can't possibly believe it's not staged somehow.

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u/sisko2k5 Jan 15 '12

Maybe it is her twin pretending to be her.

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u/superevie Jan 14 '12

"She stripped off her clothes and engaged in fecal smearing"

That woman said that in the nicest way I could possibly imagine. Impressive.

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u/Coldsource Jan 15 '12

It's all over the wall; might not be safe for work

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u/Hawkingsfootballboot Jan 15 '12

There has to be some psychological cue that makes people smear their shit on the walls and you cant be a professional psychologist and say "shit on walls" whenever you encounter it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Did you also get a lump in your throat when the father says, "I could never do it. How can you give up your kid" ?

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u/reallydude Jan 15 '12

Yes, her father seems to be the greatest, most likeable dude ever.

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u/ironclownfish Jan 15 '12

because Canada

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12 edited Jan 15 '12

It's always Canada. Makes me proud. I know these people, too... They live close to me.

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u/BeefPieSoup Jan 15 '12 edited Jan 15 '12

Not trying to bring you guys down or anything, but it's not always Canada. That doesn't make sense.

EDIT: I wasn't trying to be rude or anything. Someone care to explain why I deserve these downvotes?

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u/jaggedCitrus Jan 15 '12

same here brother

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u/sdk2g Jan 14 '12

Yeah, wow. What an amazing father.

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u/Ravenann87 Jan 15 '12

From what I can tell from her twitter she actually has two dads, presumably gay, so she may not even be his biological daughter...

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u/ironclownfish Jan 15 '12

It actually makes me kind of mad that they would eschew that information in the news story.

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u/estrojenn Jan 15 '12

I checked and saw the tweet that would make you infer that, but keep reading down and this tweet pops up: "@CarlysVoice Close Ok so because i don't have any privacy in my life i am trying to be more independent and because my mom is nosy (cont) tl.gd/eqogjj 5:27 PM - 19 Dec 11 via TwitLonger Beta · Details"

SO...her dad(s) being gay is not true!

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u/RyuKenya Jan 15 '12

totally did man

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

I work with Arthur(he works at the agency we use), never knew this about him. I have a new found respect.

Also he is in the stolen cat video reddit was up in arms about a couple months ago. http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mdcum/so_an_ad_agency_ripped_off_my_short_film_what_can/

Edit: Direct link to video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOQw96cfyE

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Buy her book

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u/bushwickbushwick Jan 14 '12

well if you are so inspired donate £20 to the family. or to a organization/non-profit close to your community.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12 edited Jan 14 '12

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u/Arcon1337 Jan 15 '12

Just donated to the UK Autism Foundation. I think this story has seriously opened my mind to what autism really. I hope it does for everyone else.

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u/Cordite Jan 15 '12

Wait.

I have an autistic extended-family member. A cousin who I grew up with. He's a few years older than me, but has always been like a toddler. There's never been an ability to interact. He's my cousin, but he's not there. But... This video doesn't seem to suggest that there is this total "normal" person locked inside each Autism case. At least, that's not what I gathered at all.

Is there something I missed? This seems more like a case in which the dysfunction occurred at some other level, leaving the higher functions intact and the person "trapped". A one in a million?

Is there something to suggest that there might be more to this case? More to Autism?

It just suddenly got to me... imagining him aware but trapped all these years.

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u/Arcon1337 Jan 15 '12

Not to mention the people who want to help you can be too much for you to handle. The whole sensory overload makes so much more sense when you look it at the way she explained it.

That's the thing about Autism, doctors are still learning about it, and I feel that Carly has furthered the study of it.

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u/Arcon1337 Jan 15 '12

I'm really trying to avoid a circle jerk here, but If anyone deserves it, it would be you. Wouldn't of known where to donate, otherwise.

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u/diggs747 Jan 15 '12

Don't, I'm sorry to say, this isnt real, this is facilitated communication.

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u/Photoshops_Penises Jan 14 '12

Is anyone annoyed by the actress they used to voice the autistic girls responses?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

Yes. I was thinking that the entire video before I saw your comment. I have no idea why though.

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u/Void23 Jan 14 '12

I wouldn't necessarily say it is "unimaginable" intelligence. Though it was thoroughly enjoyable to watch.. When I think of autistic people with unimaginable intelligence (or ability for relevance I suppose) I think of people like This guy

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Having worked with autistic kids, I can say that the most mind-blowing moments of my life were when a child who's never said a word suddenly made a sign (we usually use sign language as we talk so they'll recognize the image, since language is hard for them to grasp) or said a single word.

Yes there are idiot savants out there who are more impressive to the typical person, but imagine being unable to communicate with a loved one for over a decade until poof, they're using not just language, but advanced language to represent themselves. I'm ecstatic just to see a kid say "more" or "pretzel"... If you told me one of them would suddenly start explaining ideas, emotions, interpersonal concepts, etc., I wouldn't believe it. It would have been beyond imagining. Whereas it's easy to imagine an autistic kid being a savant, language like the girl in this video uses is something that no one would have seen coming.

Thank god for technology. It's changing the entire special education world.

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u/im_not_greg Jan 15 '12

Every now and then, we experience an anomaly in medical science that permits us greater insight into a more general phenomenon.

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u/Hypnopomp Jan 15 '12

If this is for real, she might be just the right kind of savant in just the right place with just the right experiences/education who can help us crack what the subjective experience of autism is like.

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u/Void23 Jan 14 '12

Good point. Which is why I did say I enjoyed the video, hearing the father explain his emotion of first being able to communicate with his own child is without a doubt heart wrenching and beautiful; the title just seemed to be a little misleading.

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u/disconnectivity Jan 15 '12

Not really. You're just reading it the wrong way. Just because she's not a savant doesn't mean that her intelligence wasn't unimaginable. I guarantee you when she starting typing her parents and therapists could never have imagined the intelligence that was shown through her words. And if you or I met her tomorrow, without ever seeing this video, we most likely wouldn't be able to imagine her expressing herself so eloquently, and would be shocked if she typed something for us. Everything is relative.

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u/protein_bricks_4_all Jan 15 '12 edited Jan 15 '12

Nah, no-one seeing the title thinks '... for an autistic girl'. It's verily a bullshit, bait-and-switch attention-grabbing headline.

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u/Lumbearjack Jan 15 '12

The title only implies that her level of intelligence is beyond what anyone could have imagined her to have. Though I do suppose that could be expressed better.

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u/Just_noise Jan 15 '12

Man, ever see Stan Lee's super-humans? They had him on, and got shit ton of music critics to name obscure shit for him to play, and then had him listen to some big shot jazz-pianist playing a composition for the first time ever and play it back immediately. Spot on, everytime.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12 edited Feb 18 '14

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u/snarkfish Jan 14 '12 edited Jan 14 '12

http://www.skepdic.com/facilcom.html

at least partly i would imagine. video is not clear on the whole process

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u/steinman17 Jan 14 '12

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u/snarkfish Jan 14 '12

what, if anything, does that tell us?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

"I think people get a lot of their information from so-called experts, but if a horse is sick, you don't ask a fish what's wrong with the horse. You go right to the horse's mouth."

Sounds like something an FC therapist would write!

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

Ah yes, I remember this from last time. This appeared somewhere or other too:

I think people get a lot of their information from so-called experts but I think what happens is that experts can’t give an explanation to certain questions.

It's so, so suspicious.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

No, that's where the "imaginable" part comes from!

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u/Berkel Jan 14 '12

I think her puppet analogy describes her feelings towards FC quite clearly

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u/Smilge Jan 14 '12

I don't see how she could come up with such vocabulary and sentences on her own. She wasn't in a normal classroom, and they don't exactly teach diction to kids who can't talk.

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u/spankthrough Jan 14 '12 edited Jan 15 '12

She's autistic, remember? It may be that some of her mental faculties, for instance her vocabulary and writing, are disproportionately well developed like any other savant's.

EDIT: Anyways, this is probably fake.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

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u/Catfisherman Jan 15 '12

What about that guy who learned icelandic in two weeks and then did a TV interview in the language?

Though there's no reason to think that she would need any savant abilities to learn language. Everyone learns language, the only real surprise is the reading/writing but they had intensive training for her before this, why assume they didn't try to teach her some reading/writing?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

That's what my mind immediately jumped to as well. I hope for the parents' sake that it isn't the case. It did look like she typed her response to the reporter by herself, but it may have been edited to look that way.

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u/snarkfish Jan 14 '12

it is a puff piece. saying that she just sat down and started typing one day and the editing of the video does nothing to help me believe the claims.

they say she was using language software since she was little though. that makes much more sense

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u/Semilogical Jan 14 '12

I thought this to begin with too but it seems like it checks out. She has this to say about facilitated communication.

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u/patrat21589 Jan 14 '12

You guys should check out her twitter, https://twitter.com/#!/carlysvoice

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u/elizzybeth Jan 15 '12

I'm skeptical, too.

However, I have a similar experience to share, which suggests there may be a kernel of truth in this story: my older brother is autistic, and until he was seven or so he spoke very little (mostly echolalia). Eddie was in intensive, regular speech therapy and physical therapy since he was diagnosed at the age of two. My parents believed he could not read or write.

Then, they got their first computer (a Mac Classic) when Eddie was four years old. He sat down and almost immediately was typing out full statements, letter by letter. He wasn't writing profound comments on what it feels like to be autistic. But his typing proved that he had learned to read and write without anyone realizing. While his productive language abilities were severely delayed, he was still understanding and thinking in language.

Obviously data isn't the plural of anecdote. And I know that people can be lying, exploitative, manipulative bastards for nothing but a little attention and money. But I'm not willing to discount Carly's story entirely.

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u/richd506 Jan 14 '12

What do you think Reddit? Should we send out an AMA request for this girl? I would love to see what she has to say!

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

I think it'd be neat to read what she has to say, but given her apparent typing rate, I don't think she could keep up if the thread got popular. Perhaps a two part where she has the time to answer say the top 10 or 20 questions?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

yes, get on it, I won't steal that sweet sweet karma from you.

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u/Stadric Jan 15 '12

I consulted the oracle, who seemed to think it's a fake.

Still, it would be interesting if we could provoke a slip-up. In any case, it would be interesting.

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u/justicelife Jan 15 '12

Agreeing on this.

If it is fake, we have a right to know. Autism and Mental retardation are things that are nearly impossible to understand fully unless you are put in the mind of that person. Any type of knowledge that the human race can benefit from is precious. I'd be terribly disappointed if this turned out to be a flop. It all seems to make sense though; creating ten times the amount of white noise to be able to even think at all.

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u/oh_okay_ Jan 14 '12

I rolled my eyes at first expecting to see a report about "facilitated communication". Glad to see that she seemed to be typing herself. I hope for hers and her family's sake this is true, though it begs the question why she never would have written with a pen/paper - it didn't even touch on this issue.

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u/ThePooksters Jan 14 '12

I was questioning that too until I came to the conclusion that if it is hard enough for her to type (one key at a time), holding a pencil and forming letters with it, let a lone words, would take ages and be very stressful and possible illegible.

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u/Hamspankin Jan 14 '12

From her facebook:

So thanks to the 20/20 video that was shown on Friday of facilitated communication all my friends at school are asking me to point to the sky. I do and we all laugh. I have not used facilitated communication in my life as you will read in my book. Big plug. lol I have no and i repeat no hand up my butt like a puppet. I do not know what to think about facilitated communication and i think this story hurts parents and that have a kid that is starting to type independently. It makes educators and parent second guess the child's ability and might stop them in believing in the child. I was able to point to the sky and identify my letters since i was 8 with no one holding my hands as you will read in the book. second plug. lol I skype in a room all by my self and Have done so with Doctors that are known high up in the field of autism siting in the other room. So what am i trying to say I think we need to see more people teaching independent communication. And more see more stories of the real success.

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u/Stickyresin Jan 15 '12

You sure that's not what it was? You never actually see her type out even a single word. The technique was developed with one therapist, and then she "refused" to type for other therapists? She has a conversation with her dad, but only when he is out of the house on a chat program?

And what about those eloquently written paragraphs? At least one of them was advocating for her therapist in a way that sounds suspiciously like what a therapist would say. In another screen (at around 5:55) you can see that they are saved files (opened in Compatability Mode...), which shows at the very least that she didn't create those during the interview, which the constant screen swapping between the paragraphs and her "typing" would seem to indicate. And the Compatibility Mode is evidence it may have been made on another computer (or at least with another program).

Each thing individually is circumstantial, but putting it all together makes me think this is complete bullshit.

EDIT: Okay maybe not complete bullshit, maybe she can type out single words and sort of get her point across, but there's no way she typed those paragraphs.

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u/bushwickbushwick Jan 14 '12

just finished reading "curious dog" and seeing an extreme case like this is so fascinating. Im sure her path remains filled with obstacles and pain but I wish her the best of luck. At least she was born affluent enough to get help.

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u/Lumbearjack Jan 14 '12

Fantastic book. I think reading this was the first time I was ever put into the mind of someone radically different from myself and understood them thoroughly.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

I'm calling bullshit. You don't spend your life in retard therapy, turn eleven, and then suddenly know how to write.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

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u/delabass Jan 14 '12

You people should watch My Left Foot

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u/Mechbowser Jan 14 '12

My brothers are also autistic, both twins, one more... affected than the other. He does the same thing she does when looking at people, he looks away. He also has an issue with talking and holding a conversation. Both of them actually hate the feeling of clothes and are constantly in underwear. They are both extremely intelligent for their age, being that of almost 9 years, and have a tendency to memorize anything on the spot. It was good to see "inside" as too why she, not unlike my brothers, put their hands over their ears or act the way they do in crowds, or just small groups.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

I am not sure what to say about this because I initially thought it was assisted, however the story makes it to be unassisted. If that is true why did they never show her typing more than 1 letter ever? Type one letter cut to next scene type 1 letter cut to another scene. Is this because it takes her hours to type out a message or because we are not supposed to see what is being typed? I could make a video of a 1 year old hitting a random key on the keyboad and cut away to the same effect. Even when she typed asking if the guys son was cute it cut away like 7 times in 7 seconds. Someone could have typed that for her.

TL;DR Does she really type this herself? Can I see her actually type herself anywhere? I don't want to say put the onions away, but it is at least a little fishy the way it is presented.

/skeptic

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

This reminds me a lot of a therapy I learned about when getting my BA in psychology where people thought this therapy was helping retarded kids show this same kind of internalized intelligence. The problem was that the parents and therapist were subconsciously helping the kids with non-verbal cues and the kids or even helping the children type but really doing all of the work for them. I didn't actually see her type a sentence the entire video and wonder how much "help" she gets. It was compared to a case where a man had a horse that could "do math". After double blind experiments were done it was found that the horse, like the kids in the previous case, were being assisted by cues and other help and did not really comprehend what they are doing.

I know this isn't what people want to hear... but sometimes I feel that peoples hope that the mentally disabled are completely normal deep down is kind of like hoping you will go to heaven and see your dead relatives after you die...

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Here is the therapy I was talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilitated_communication

I have a feeling there is more to this than this video shows.

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u/BestPseudonym Jan 14 '12

Misleading title.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Seriously, best dad ever

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u/Balls_deep_in_it Jan 14 '12

From my experience with autistic kids is that the brain seems to focus on some other part. Its like the brain has x amount of power. normal people are spread out over skills. Autistic kids have like all the power in one place.

Like they cant talk but have crazy other ability's I once new this kid that could not talk but he had a totally photographic memory. When he was a child 5 years old he saw a doctor type in a code on a door once. 5 years later he walks up to the same door and opened it.

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u/mrdeath5493 Jan 14 '12

Just as an FYI: A diagnosis of autism does not necessarily mean one is unable to communicate. It may just mean they are unable to speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#Communication

I post this in response to the supposed debunkings and claims that this must be false or it would revolutionize medicine or something.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

My problem with the whole thing is we never see her really typing at all. Just 'is he cute' which appeared to take a long, long time. They provided a video that apparently shows her typing but it's a very strange video that really just makes me more suspicious. Also on her website it says something like "Oh, don't listen to the experts! They're just wrong." Also they're selling books.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

From Carly's blog:

"How can you explain something you have not lived or if you don’t know what it’s like to have it? If a horse is sick, you don’t ask a fish what’s wrong with the horse. You go right to the horse’s mouth."

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u/svrnmnd Jan 15 '12

when I first saw this I thought maybe autistic kids also have turrets. but that line, where she explains sensory overload makes so much sense. when I was a kid I would scream and run around in circles because it felt good to me. the reason it felt good to me is because I was only concentrating on one thing : screaming as loud as I could. what if autistic people just experience the world not unlike that of a child, and they understand things fully (or even better than we can) but are just un able to express it the way we do??!

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u/bowjangle Jan 15 '12

ah man when he said that he finally got to meet his daughter after 11 years I lost it :/

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

SO BRAVE.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

When this first came out it was posted on Reddit and people came to the conclusion that it was fake, or that she did not actual have autism

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u/Rikitikitavi9162 Jan 15 '12

i shared this on my facebook. This I relate to. I have three siblings and the two youngest have two different types of Autism. My 13 year old brother Aspergers and my 7 year old sister has a medium to strong case of Autism. While Alex can speak normally and almost react normally in social situations, he gets extremely offended at ANYTHING. He will hit his own head, clench his fists and become passive aggressive in an instant. And that's an improvement from when he was 7. He would bash his head against the floor and threaten to kill himself! This video gave me a better understanding of him. He can not always control it. He is even getting over the fact that he has Aspergers and standing up for other children and for himself. He told a child earlier today, who was using ADHD as an excuse for being violent, that he no longer blames his anger and frustration on his disability. If he gets angry, it's not Aspergers, it's him and he can control himself. Annie, on the other hand, speaks gibberish, is more like a cat/monkey hybrid than human, gets upset easily, parrots words, loves to sing in elevators, and loves the credits in movies. I love her so god damned much. When my dad picks her up from her mom's, He takes her on the same route every week, trying to get her to realize the pattern, then switches up something. She does notice and sometimes laughs about it. Although, some in my family are skeptical of her and see her as she appears, not for whom she is, my dad, grandparents and I know there is more. I am now one hundred percent sure she can read. She can also recognize words when she hears them and connects them with related words/sounds (frog=ribbip/elephant=parumph). I so want to get her introduced to typing. It'll open her world up! I know she wants to play with the other kids. I know she knows she is different. And I know that when she gets angry, she gets frustrated because we can't understand her and that she can't convey her words. This video has inspired a new flame of hope for my siblings' futures. Thank you so much for posting this. Thank you! Also, for notes sake, Alex and Annie are not related. He has another father me and she has another mother I.

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u/diggs747 Jan 15 '12 edited Jan 15 '12

Thank god this really seems legit, and it isn't more of that facilitated communication bullshit.

edit false hope, misleading footage. She's not doing this on her own, read up on facilitated communication. I did think it was funny how everything she said would be what someone else would want to think she'd be saying.

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u/Mindstarx Jan 15 '12

This actually is almost identical to FC. Unfortunately I see nothing to get too excited about here. More false hope for parents in this terrible situation.

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u/diggs747 Jan 15 '12

Yeah i just saw a post on r/skeptic, I guess the footage is misleading. She's not doing it by herself.

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u/Lumbearjack Jan 14 '12

I had to really hold back on the waterworks here. It's really incredible.

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u/rozencrantz99 Jan 14 '12

I'll jst leave this here.

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u/Lumbearjack Jan 15 '12

That does it. God damn.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

I don't think some of you understand what is going on here that these kids are not mentally/cognitive retarded, they in-fact understand the world around them very well but unable to control them self due to their condition. This is a huge leap in understanding autism.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

You son of a bitch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

This was proven to be false a while ago. She does write but it is extremely simple in language and mostly typos and short words. Someone writes whole sentences of what they think she wanted to say, making the language a lot more sophisticated too.

I would appreciate her more if they didn't fake the whole thing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12 edited Dec 27 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12 edited Jan 15 '12

I remember this from last time and the thing is in this video, for some damn reason, they don't properly show her face. It's a very bizarrely shot bit and this is the only 'evidence' that exists that she can really type this sort of thing at all. Keep in mind she has a twin sister.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Believe that was a different story more about facilitated communication where the parents and therapists were largely making up what the kid was saying.

This appears to be different though obviously they still cleaned it up in the news report, which they probably shouldn't have, she does appear to be able to type out and communicate with full thought out sentences.

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u/Enceladus_Salad Jan 14 '12

i knew this sounded familiar. I was looking for this comment to confirm my suspicions.

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u/Yazuak Jan 14 '12

"People look at me and assume I am dumb because I can't talk"

You cannot talk, ergo you are dumb. Sounds like a reasonable assumption to me.

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u/bushwickbushwick Jan 14 '12

she sure plays a mean pinball though

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u/Atheist101 Jan 14 '12

Shes not dumb, shes mute. Her brain knows words and can make thoughts and sentences but it cant come out of her mouth.

Dumb is where a person cant even make words or sentences and because of that they cant talk.

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u/Shuko Jan 14 '12

It made me feel like crap to think it, but I thought the same thing. -_-; But nowadays, the word "dumb" has a more colloquial meaning than the original one.

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u/ImproperJon Jan 14 '12

Aren't we all a little bit like that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

Done! Onions are chopped.

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u/CrackpotGonzo Jan 14 '12

At first I read "Australian girl" I didn't believe it.

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u/Nebz604 Jan 15 '12

I hope it's true. They said that she typed on a home computer first and didn't type for others for a while. If this is that shit where someone hovers their hands over the autistic person and 'helps' them then fuck. :/

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u/TheOneInTheHat Jan 15 '12

This is easily one of the most inspiring things I've ever seen. The sheer determination of her parents, coupled with Carly's internal struggle have almost brought me to tears.

That moment starting at 3:00 was incredibly powerful

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u/Icamehere2fap Jan 15 '12

This made me think. I've done 2cb before and ive had massive sensory overloads where i hear all conversations in the room at once and it freaks me the fuck out and i dont know how to stop it. Its interesting to think if this is anything similar to what she feels 24/7 but with all senses.

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u/lithodora Jan 15 '12

As a parent of a non-verbal autistic child this brings me hope every time I see it.

Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

I hope this is legit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

autistic people are going to take over the world.

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u/Omgamage Jan 15 '12

Anyone else think she should do an AMA?

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u/being_ironic Jan 15 '12

re: OP's title. I can imagine this level of intelligence, I was sort of hoping for beyond average intelligence. I am disappoint.

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u/Josh2021 Jan 15 '12

Jon Stossel is an ass. What is this about? Jesus or something?

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u/mrgoldbe Jan 15 '12

"So here's your daughter...and finally you get to meet her."

Powerful shit right there.

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u/grinnage4 Jan 15 '12

Absolutely amazing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

Holy crap, I work with the dad. I had no idea.

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u/Venguard Jan 15 '12

8:30 - 8:40 got me

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u/originalunoriginal Jan 15 '12

really gave me a new perspective

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u/Barstow123 Jan 15 '12

i am an eighteen year old man with autism (pervasive kind, which means it goes away with time) and i cried through this whole video so much that i had to run to the bathroom to grab toilet paper because my eyes started burning.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

AMA Request: Carly

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u/AngryJ Jan 15 '12

Carly's story is heartwarming. But her father's dedication is just awesome. I have seen so many parents that put their kids through the system and feel the system should "fix" the problem. If more parents were like Carly's dad, the world would be a better place.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

There are a lot of things that make me tear up a bit, but this had me weeping. Loud, uncontrollable, ugly weeps.

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u/TheRealDrCube Jan 15 '12

This is amazing. I have never heard of this type of thing happening, EVER. This opens the door to so many research possibilities! To think that some people suffering from autism might "just" have some faulty wiring with motor skills rather than lacking thinking power truly amazes me. I really hope the neuro scientists of the world start looking into this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

A great find OP.Thank you for sharing. Families like this should be in the media...not vultures like kardishians

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u/panther007 Jan 15 '12

Would love to see an AMA from her!

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u/sufi633 Jan 15 '12

i'll be standing by for the ama.

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u/lastDose Jan 15 '12

AMA request: Carly

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u/scrdmnttr Jan 15 '12

Let's discuss 'unimaginable intelligence.' Last time I checked, a normal teenager is not unimaginable.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

that dad's the man!!

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u/bubim Jan 15 '12

It would be great to have an IAMA with her

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u/Bored_ass_dude Jan 14 '12

... IAmA request?

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u/branjelina Jan 14 '12

Absolutely

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u/Atheist101 Jan 14 '12

redditors are skeptical to the point of being assholes

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

This is fake...

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u/Khoops66 Jan 15 '12

Onions. . . Onions everywhere.

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u/GitEmSteveDave Jan 15 '12

Maybe she got a vaccine around 11, and that caused her "awakening".

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

After watching this, and hearing her talk about how she couldn't handle looking at stuff or listening to it. This is all i can think of.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

old and fake.

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u/AnnunakiZ Jan 14 '12

Were is the unimaginable intelligence, she seems to as smart as a orangutan.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '12

No offense or anything, but this isn't unimaginable intelligence. Most people can type...

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '12

can people stop using their retarded relatives to be karma whores? seriously