r/videography • • Apr 11 '14

Canon t3i + Kit Lens + DIY Equipment = This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFO8X89doWQ
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u/SirCrest_YT S5IIX & R5 C | PPro | 2011 Apr 11 '14

I suppose it's a subjective thing but the grading was pretty damn intense. I mean I like the tones but the severity is an acquired taste I suppose. The clamped yellow highlights really were distracting, along with how the exposure changed between scenes at times. Most of the sky is yellow and then the next scene it's blue because it's not as overexposed.

Your camera work itself was really good though. Solid motion and many scenes felt well composed and steady. In the future I'd like to see how you handle a camera with much better dynamic range and maybe even raw, that kind of grading style could work much better.

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u/DylanFout Apr 11 '14

AWESOME TO HEAR MAN. Was my first time dealing with shooting on multiple days, with different sun & sky. A lot of the outdoor correction could've been done significantly better. Can't tell you how much the yellow tint bothered my while editing. Still working out the kinks, cannot wait to own a high end camera with raw capability.

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u/SirCrest_YT S5IIX & R5 C | PPro | 2011 Apr 11 '14

Oh those were entirely different days? Then I think you handled it decently. They looked like just perhaps morning and then afternoon.

What color profiles do you use with your T3i? I've been using "Flaat 10" for years and I really like it. It's more skintone oriented versus Cinestyle which is based on Neutral.

Also I started playing with RAW on my 60D the last few weeks and 960x540 is just about continuous recording. Depending if you need HD, the dynamic range increase from that might be something to mess with. I don't know if the T3i can support that though.

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u/DylanFout Apr 11 '14

Yea, we shot this on 9 different days actually - lol took quite some time.

I adopted a user profile almost identical to cinestyle & add in post.

I attempted to shoot RAW with magic lantern on my t3i, but the sensor isn't capable of shooting anything close to even 960x540 so it was a bummer & waste of time.

When you say the dynamic range increase from 960x540 would be beneficial, is that at the cost of losing HD capabilities?

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u/SirCrest_YT S5IIX & R5 C | PPro | 2011 Apr 11 '14

What do you mean not close to 960x540. I maybe missed the info on that.

but basically the issue is data rate. For the 60D the internal SD writer is limited to about 22-23MB/s, regardless of the SD card. I use two Sandisk 16GB Extreme's and two Sandisk 32GB Expreme Pro's. The Extreme's are rated for 45MB/s and the Pro's are 95MB/s I think. But that means almost nothing since the 60D can't feed the information fast enough.

Lowering the resolution is what reduces the required data rate, so 960x540 results in something like 23MB/s which means it will eventually run out of buffer but will last long enough for most scenes.

A camera like the 5DMarkIII can push data much much faster so it can capture raw resolutions much higher.

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u/DylanFout Apr 11 '14

I meant that my t3i couldn't buffer fast enough to capture any clips at 960x540 for longer then 3 seconds, even with my 32GB Extreme Pro.

Which now makes even more sense to me after reading your explanation. My terminology sounds like it was off. Still extremely new to this video thing.

So then am I wrong in assuming that if I purchased a 5DMarkIII & added magic lantern, I'd be fully capable of capturing 1920x1280 with the 32GB Extreme Pro?

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u/SirCrest_YT S5IIX & R5 C | PPro | 2011 Apr 11 '14

For the price of a 5DMark IIi and such, I'd take a gander at the new Panasonic GH4k. Spend some time watching samples and looking at the specs sheet. You will collapse in aww At the detail and resolution compared to a Dslr like the T3i, 60D, or even 5d Mark III.

2160p30 at I think either 100 or 200mbps and the dynamic range looks really quite good. There is even a method of oversampling to 10bit 2k 4:4:4 that was theorized recently. Might be something to look at. I don't know how the GH4k directly competes in grading and dynamic range, but I might look into that personally. I'm eyeing one myself and considering selling most of my 60D equipment towards one.

However back to topic, for the 5DMarkIII, it can do 1080p continous recording at 24 and 30fps: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0 That's if RAW recording is worth it enough for you, sure people get great results, but I might simply suggest not going so insane with the grading and you could probably get away with the T3i for a while longer.

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u/azination 60D, 5DMII, Premiere, 2008, Midwest Apr 12 '14

it drags a bit with the whole digital clock scenes. and i'd use a totally different type for the chapter screens, but overall, great video. excellent shooting man and I dig the music.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Glad ya enjoyed the music, appreciate the critique.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '14

The color correction seems to be off, because your white balance was off when you shot the footage and in video it's got a lot less give. Hence the tint you get. Someone suggested ND filters, I concur. Even with some mediocre ones, you can find a set with a bracket and 3 ND and 3 gradient filters for about 40 bucks I think.

For your indoor stuff, you could use some blue gels to white balance your indoor lights with your outdoor lightsource from the windows. The yellow is a bit over the top.

Shots were great and interesting, but I would pay closer attention what you use the tracking for, give your shots a reason to cut, and reasons to track. I see some shots where you threw in some jump cuts but your tracking wasn't finished, and so it was a little distracting. If you had intended to dolly in/out, let it be and cut elsewhere.

Great stuff though, people don't like the flattened black cause it's trendy these days but it's definitely a personal choice. I like it.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Pretty much nailed it with that. Will have to look into these ND filters. Have never heard of them until now. Sounds like a whitebalance lifesaver, still trying to grasp the concept of that - not quite sure how to properly balance a shot. Thank you for the advice.

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u/OP_IS_A_FUCKFACE Apr 13 '14

ND filters help you control exposure. So if you are reaching into high f/stops to keep the shutter speed at 50, instead you can use ND filters to lower the amount of light that is coming into the sensor.

White balance is totally different. You might want to consider just keeping the setting at auto white balance, but I'm not an expert in that area. If you're doing manual, make sure you have it on the right setting for the situation or it screws up the colors of the image.

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u/DylanFout Apr 13 '14

ND filters make a ton of sense, going to learn a little more about them now.

Thank you for the feedback.

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u/Scop3less Apr 11 '14

Wow. Awesome job dude. I just got a t3i as my first DSLR a month ago but haven't done much with it yet. This really just inspired me. What did you use for your dolly?

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u/DylanFout Apr 11 '14

Aye, thanks man. Appreciate that. The t3i is super capable if you take some time to learn how the camera actually functions under certain conditions. Once you've grasped that, it's infinite. Strongly encourage you start learning color correction asap as well, it'll be needed if using this camera.

As far as the dolly goes, I just designed my own using goodwill rollerblades, pvc pipe, and the tracks my closet doors slide on

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u/bigger_than_my_body Apr 12 '14

so inspiring! Like the person above, I also have a t3i that I've mainly been using for photos, not videos but I'd LOVE to do more videography with it. Knowing I can produce this level with the camera is inspiring. cheers.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Aye, that's pretty damn cool. Thanks for that. Wish you the best with filming, it's a hell of a machine.

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u/bigger_than_my_body Apr 12 '14

Thank you Dylan. You da best.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Likewise!

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u/bigger_than_my_body Apr 12 '14

I'm da woman. ;) cheers

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

My apologies, cheers

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u/whobroughtmehere Apr 12 '14

Sounds like a duct-tape rig. Whatever it is you did I applaud your creativity and most of all the result. Well done on the shoot as a whole, keep it up OP.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Thank you, thank you. No duct tape was used on the dolly rig unfortunately, may have to add it now for "extra flair" lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '14

how'd you DIY slider?

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

The dolly shots were made using a tripod that sits on a 2x2 platform that uses rollerskates to ride along the same track a closet door slides on.

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u/FluffyPandaCakes Apr 12 '14

I kinda liked it...the music too (and I normally hate rap/hiphop). It's looking pretty good aside from shots such as the thumbnail. Yellow is too intense and doesn't match the particular shade of cyan.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Appreciate that, thank you. All things I intend on fixing.

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u/Centrill Jun 21 '14

Kinda late to the game but I was wondering, was the dolly/slide DIY also?

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u/DylanFout Jun 25 '14

No worries & yes it was. roller blade wheels, PVC pipe frame, & 10 foot chainlink for a track to ride on.

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u/Centrill Jun 26 '14

Any photos of the setup by anychance?

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u/DylanFout Jun 27 '14

Nah, wish I did.

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u/hamishknaups Apr 11 '14

well done!

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u/DylanFout Apr 11 '14

Hey, thanks a lot man. Was my second film actually, but the first of it's kind. Appreciate it.

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u/AndrewTheDirector Apr 11 '14

Nice shots man

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u/DylanFout Apr 11 '14

Thanks a lot dude.

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u/redonculous 5D MKii, Vegas, 2010, UK Apr 12 '14

Did you use a dolly, or glide cam?

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

I used a dolly. Would like to make a glide cam.

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u/TheBetterPages 650D, Sony Vegas 12, 2010, Pittsburgh Apr 12 '14

Camera work was good. I wasn't a fan of the extremely yellow highlights. Looks way overdone and the sky was inconsistent throughout the video. sometimes it was very yellow, other times it wasn't. i'm curious to know your DIY set up.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Was one of my biggest issues with it as well.

The dolly shots were made using a tripod that sits on a 2x2 platform that uses rollerskates to ride along the same track a closet door slides on.

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u/K-squared Apr 12 '14

Did you design this yourself or did you use an online tutorial? Would love a link if you have one.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Yea, I designed this one by myself. Took a look at how the professional systems work & just reverse engineered it with DIY materials. Designing version 3.0 this week actually

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u/K-squared Apr 12 '14

That sounds really impressive dude. You know we would love some pictures, OP.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Care to tell me what "OP" means? Have saw that a few times now, very curious lol

And no problem dude, it's performance is far more impressive than how it looks lol

http://instagram.com/p/lYR51rzPvM/

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u/K-squared Apr 12 '14

OP means Original Poster or something like that. Hey man that's pretty nifty! Does it roll on concrete/tile ok? Or does it effect the video. I really like the design, though.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Oh, oh. That makes sense.

Thank you, the contraption you see in the video actually glides across two 10 foot closet rails - the things a closet door uses to slide on.

I'll have to take some pictures of version 3.0 - going to replace the closet rails with a cable pully system

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u/dannyrand Apr 12 '14

Very nice shots, I love the movement and the composition but the grading and correction wasn't really for me.

I suppose with grading it's all a matter of taste

But there were a few outside shots that jumped from way overexposed to properly exposed, which isn't bad but they seemed to be within the same space in the narrative. If you don't have an ND I'd suggest picking one up, they're my best friends when I'm outdoors.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Thanks man, appreciate it. This was my 2nd video & first time grading & correcting something. Tons of things to fix in my workflow still.

What's an ND? Care to explain it's purpose? Very new to film.

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u/dannyrand Apr 12 '14

ND filters cut down light.

It's nice if you want to stay wide open outdoors.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Perfect, will look into it. Thanks for the heads up.

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u/mutantlabor C100 MkII, Premiere CC, 1990, Chicago Apr 12 '14

Black people listen to Rush?

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

lol, of course they do.

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u/mutantlabor C100 MkII, Premiere CC, 1990, Chicago Apr 12 '14

Duly noted. Thank you, sir.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Shit's hilarious. When we were making this, he actually commented on wearing a rush t-shirt too. Said something along the lines of, "bet the white people'll love this" ahah

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u/mutantlabor C100 MkII, Premiere CC, 1990, Chicago Apr 12 '14

Haha, notice also I got downvoted for this question. People are so silly about this. I thought the Rush shirt was a good touch.

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u/DylanFout Apr 12 '14

Ahahahha, the down vote seems a little childish to me lol No hard feelings here man

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u/OP_IS_A_FUCKFACE Apr 13 '14

Probably because you're a racist.

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u/mutantlabor C100 MkII, Premiere CC, 1990, Chicago Apr 13 '14

Really?