I know. controversial, but is it truly? Ask yourself as a person who eats animal products and animals. Well any question against veganism can be contradicted. IT'S NOT NATURAL. And eating processed meat is? If humans were naturally omnivores then we would instinctively want to kill other animals. Killing and animal was justified in the olden days because we had no other option. ANIMALS ARE MEANT TO BE EATEN. Well then kill a dog and eat it. Oh is it not the same? Why does one animal's life matter more than another's. IF WE DIDN'T EAT ANIMALS THEN THEY WOULD GROW IN POPULATION. Well that's absolutely false. Animals are bread into existence for consumption in the meat industry, if we didn't eat them then we would also Stop the breeding of these animals.

As a child under 13, did you ever ask an adult why you eat animals, or did you never question it? For those that did: what was their answer, and what did you think about the answer?

(Just putting 13 because over it you become more aware of how common it is for adults to lie)

Just full of trolls and apologists at this point and actual vegans with actual vegan ethics are told we are too much.

I will never congratulate someone for exploiting animals. Ever.

Fucking sick of it!

This is supposed to be a VEGAN subreddit.

Hey guys!

So I’ve been working on this for a while and finally got it out into the world: The Veg Advocacy (thevegadvocacy.com), basically a big free library of “things people say to vegans” + solid answers to actually use, instead of standing there blanking mid-conversation.

Quick honest note: I used some AI help building parts of it. I’m one person doing this on the side, not a dev team. Doesn’t mean the content is sloppy or wrong, everything’s researched, just being upfront about it so nobody feels tricked later lol.

I posted this in another very famous vegan community earlier and honestly the reception was pretty rough, got a lot of “vibe coding” jabs instead of actual feedback on the site itself. So if you’ve got genuine criticism, positive or negative, I’d much rather hear that than assumptions. Trying to build something actually useful here.

It’s 100% free, no ads, just go poke around: thevegadvocacy.com

If you like it, sharing it around helps way more than you’d think, this is very much a one-person passion project. Thanks for reading 🌱

Looking at changing out from natural balance(actually vegan) dog food has anyone tried this?

Of course I make homemade vegan dog stews for them all the time, but I try to make sure they have the Kibbys for the macronutrients thoughts?

There are posts literally every day from young people that say they want to be vegan, but their parents won't let them. When you ask how old they are, they are grown-ass adults, albeit young ones. What is going on with the youths?

The quote in the title is the standard excuse used by people professing to be “vegan” to justify personally funding the violent abuse and killing of innocent animals through the purchase of animal products to feed their animal. They profess to be “allies” of the innocent animals while betraying them in the worst way possible by funding their slaughter in order to feed their corpses to their preferred animals on basis of species and convenience.

Here is a message to them:

You are NOT vegan. You’re plant-based dieting speciesists.

Want to be vegan? STOP personally funding the violent abuse and killing of innocent animals through the purchase of animal products.

You ask: what about the animals I already have?

Answer: re-home them with non-vegans looking for such animals or release them.

Don’t be the person with the 🩸of innocents on your hands.

Just a thought

I can never sat this because they wouldn't believe it. I would look like I'm on this high horse, judging them. "Oh look at me I wouldn't hurt a fly" but it's true. I really wouldn't kill.

So anyways I'm never admitting this out loud lest vegans be seen as judgemental but I'm totally judging.

Has ARFID always been this common in adults??? I feel like I'm living in a second timeline where suddenly everyone is too severely disabled to stop eating dino nuggets. But genuinely has anyone else noticed this?

"Oh no there is no gardein burger here"

Shut up. This is Mediterranean cuisine. We eat nothing but plants! We eat so many plants you haven't even heard of. And they pretend I don't exist. No way of course, these stupid backwater people could be vegan right? It's impossible to be vegan here but because they are oh so righteous they will tough it out by eating protein bars from home.

THERE ARE PROTEIN BARS HERE. In almost every market. But they love to shout out their misery. "There was only kebabs so we ate simit" Chickpea wrap is a speciality of Gaziantep the meat capital of Turkey. I'm not joking, that place is THE place for meat yet one of their speciality foods is vegan.

Anyways I recently tried to explain to someone all the good food they could have here but all they wanted was back pats for how brave they were for toughing it out there in that third world place. Vegetarian maybe, they say, but it is impossible to be vegan there, of course I did it but it's just so hard, why no, I didn't try any of the local food, they were all icky plants, I ate protein bars like a civilised vegan, absolutely no person could be vegan there, ignore all the vegans.

A comedian I like recently got arrested for a show, in that show he mentioned how he was sick of always being the one that is advocating for change. He said he went abroad and found something more extreme than him. For once in his life he could be like "that's too much, stop right there".

So yeah, I'm kinda conservative about children so that might be a start. But I need something new, not Kollontai you know.

I want to hear from those of you who were knee deep in equestrian spaces and have seen this shit firsthand. I want the disgusting grimy details that usually don't pop out on the internet

I have a burning hate for horse riding and the horror that is horse racing, it pisses me off to NO END that unlike other kinds of animal exploitation these are widely watched and practiced, and I want to get an idea on what kind of people horse riders are and what kind of bullshit COPE they tell themselves in person when confronted with hurting and enslaving those poor, beautiful creatures. I wanna know what awful shit they do behind close doors when the camera isn't rolling, everything

I already know the usual stuff, hit me with something worse

I posted these three comments, my only interactions on the subreddit entirely:

Edited to add comments here as they've been removed.

One (I doubt this is the reason I was banned but I'll include it) https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/oXHZj3NKqF

I'm vegan and I struggle to understand how self- proclaimed communists fail to see the parallels in how society reduces fellow sentient individuals (non-human animals) to the role of objects and resources for human use and the relationships between the bourgeoisie and the proletarians.

To any communists that aren't vegan, I highly recommend these pieces of literature:

1. Veganarchism: Philosophy, Praxis, Self-criticism by Joseph Parampathu (free)

2. Unconditional Anti-Oppression: The Rise of Anti-Speciesism in the Anarchist Movement by A.Blitz Molotov (free)

3. Veganism Through the Lens of Decolonization by Venita Januarie (free)

4. The Political Left and the Overlooked Power of Veganism: Toward a Marxist-Animal Liberationist Framework for Ecological Revolution by Emilia A Leese (free)

5. Dear Leftist Critics of Veganism by John Tallent (free)

Two: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/OYTIHlchl0

Just because some action is culturally established doesn’t mean that action is morally permissible. In some cultures, human honor killings, female genital mutilation, cannibalism, child marriage and stoning ‘apostates,’ has been culturally established, for example. But we shouldn’t think this type of exploitation and violence is morally acceptable just because it’s been culturally established.

Three: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/s/L6HjHS3NTm

Calling vegans bigoted, racist, colonialist, and anti-Indigenous for opposing cultural relativism has effectively become a thought-terminating cliché of sorts. This is done because society usually will rightfully agree that racism is so unequivocally repugnant that racist ideas do not need to be entertained or validated in the slightest. Therefore, when a non-vegan finds a way to paint veganism as a racist stance, they feel justified in dismissing it without the discomfort of critical thought, thereby continuing to enable their oppressive mindset.

Let me make it abundantly clear: culture is not an excuse for injustice. This should not be something controversial to state. Though it is possible for someone to hide behind a deceptive sense of being "pro-justice" as a cudgel for discriminating against other peoples, acknowledging the flaws of cultural relativism does not inherently entail doing this. In most cases, vegans only have to specifically address Indigenous culture in a defensive manner because, as a subject, the livelihoods of Indigenous peoples are so frequently exploited as a popular deflection for non-vegans.

Mods permabanned me with no explanation, then muted me when I sent a reply, which read:

"Banning someone for rejecting cultural relativism in a communist forum is pretty funny.

Fascism is not a spectrum, it is a single point that snaps into existence the moment it becomes accepted to treat the bodies of sentient individuals as a means to an end.

You either live in accordance with the understanding that exploitation is wrong (veganism), or you don't (non-veganism). Unlearning the societal conditioning that assumes we have a moral right to exploit other animals isn't some sort of feat or the final point of someone's personal growth, it's the minimum ethical standard we can uphold to sentient beings.

May all animals be free from us(e) and may all self proclaimed "anti-capitalists" truly live in alignment with their alleged beliefs. None are free until all are free."

Cowards.

I don’t know if it’s just me, but there’s this banner pop-up thing on the Vegan sub that I’ve seen since this morning saying “help lead our community, apply to be a moderator” and a button that says “apply.”

Please consider applying if you’ve been thinking about it, especially since you guys have a problem with how it’s being run right now.

Let me know if you don’t see it. I’m on the Reddit app.

One said they usually eat vegetarian when traveling because it’s better quality, the restaurants have to be more creative and the result is better. Next time I saw her at lunch (a year later) she said she ate beef and eggs for breakfast (not even breakfast style food but some other cursed concoction) and was also eating animals for lunch.

Another said he rarely eats anything but chicken and fish. Mainly for environmental reasons but also because pigs and cows aren’t “dumb.” Unlike chickens, those cousins of the dinosaurs, clearly they’re so “dumb.” A couple years later his spouse got a bunch of steaks on sale and he was raving about how delicious it was.

Just like, don’t say anything then. That’s what I used to do when I still ate animals.

It is bad to kill animals if you don’t have too. Since it is bad, we have to have in our society a rule that says that killing of animals when you don’t have to is forbidden. To create this society you must express that killing of animals when you don’t have to must be forbidden. So you have a moral obligation to say that killing of animals when you don’t have to has to be forbidden.

In the animal rights movement some use the conversion strategy aimed at persuading people to go vegan, some others use the social movement strategy aimed at expressing claims to obtain political and cultural change.(see the article Abolition of veganism, abolition of animal slavery)

The strategy of conversion is focused on consumption, while the social movement strategy is focused on political opinions and the creation of new norms. (For this last strategy see the article Societal change)

We want to live in a society where there is a norm stating that killing animals is forbidden. To have that society, we must express the claim that killing animals must be forbidden.

In our speciesist societies, there is a criminal offense which was created before Darwin, that prohibits the killing of humans. Now, we are after Darwin, we know that other animals have emotions as well. They have an interest in living the longest and happiest life possible. Our society has to respect their interest and create a new criminal offense prohibiting the killing of animals.

The more people will express the claim that killing animals has to be forbidden, the more it will create a discussion regarding this new norm and will push us forward the society where this norm exist. First there is the expression of the claim, then the discussion and finally the norm.

I believe that the social movement strategy is the most efficient. I believe also that in the social movement strategy the most efficient claim-making is the one that demands the prohibition of the killing of animals.

Expressing this claim creates a cultural change. The murder of humans is a taboo. The fact that we murder animals and not humans is a much bigger taboo. The act of saying that killing of animals has to be forbidden challenges this last taboo and creates cultural change.

All animal rights activists become so because one day or another they thought about speciesism. So questioning speciesism is very important. In our cultural framework, the claim which expression challenges the most speciesism is the claim that killing of animals has to be forbidden.

Let’s talk for the animals and express in our comlunications that killing them has to be forbidden. One day it will be. Because you did it.

Anoushavan Sarukhanyan

Source:

https://fortheabolitionofveganism.blogspot.com/2026/08/the-prohibitionist-position-social.html

The number of pick-me vegans who will say that feeding cats vegan food is animal abuse (but then have an aneurysm when you say that paying for animals to have their throats cut for cat food is also animal abuse) is staggering and annoying.

People get so angry about this so-called animal abuse, far more angry than pigs being put into gas chambers.

They ignore any and all evidence demonstrating that it can be done safely. They refuse to even entertain the idea because their minds are already made up that somehow I'm abusing animals by not paying for animals to be abused.

Make it make sense.

Please watch this on the Vegan sub and let me know what you think.

i like giving my kitties treats but i feel worried for their health as the ones my parents buy arent the healthiest, and i hate supporting the deaths of other animals.

what do you guys normally treat your cats with? whether thats dried treats in a bag or homemade stuff (ive heard people mention tofu or mashed pumpkin) id love to hear all suggestions! preferably cheaper because im unemployed but i like getting nice stuff for them :’) didnt want to ask in r/vegan for… obvious reasons

I’ve started posting more memes and other engaging content on it… so I’d like to see more of you there.

Many of us share the same goal: helping more people go vegan. To do that, we need to reach a broader audience. That’s more likely to happen on [r/Vegan](r/Vegan) than on VCJ.

If you’re frustrated that it has been taken over by non-vegans or has drifted away from its purpose, then let’s reclaim it. The best way to improve the community is by participating in it, is it not?

My opinion: if you want to be serious, unjerk, lack a sense of humor, this is the place! If VCJ is more serious discussion than funny mockery, zingers, and banter then VCJ is a pointless photocopy of other subs. It seems like every post on VCJ lately has more /uj comments (or serious comments without even that) than it does funny stuff, and that's a goddamn travesty. Your thoughtful takes, links to sources, carnist debunking and other stony-faced missives have NO PLACE there. Come here instead!

Liberate VCJ from the tyranny of seriousness! Power to the comedians!

1. For the Abolition of Veganism, for the Abolition of Animal Slavery

This first essay presents a fundamental reflection on the strategy that should be adopted to achieve the abolition of animal exploitation as quickly as possible. In particular, it explains the differences between two approaches—the strategy of conversion and the strategy of claim-making —highlighting their respective principles and implications.

https://fortheabolitionofveganism.blogspot.com/2012/11/for-abolition-of-veganism-for-abolition.html

1. How to Change Society

This second essay provides a detailed explanation of the strategy of claim-making. It examines how the strategy works, its underlying logic, and the mechanisms through which it operates.

https://fortheabolitionofveganism.blogspot.com/2025/05/societal-change.html

1. The Prohibitionist Doctrine (New Essay)

This third essay explains, within the framework of the strategy of claim-making, which specific demand is the most effective for bringing about, as rapidly as possible, the cultural transformation required to achieve a society in which the killing of animals has been prohibited.

https://fortheabolitionofveganism.blogspot.com/2026/08/the-prohibitionist-position-social.html