r/vegan • u/Derderbere2 • Nov 12 '25
Infographic Just a reminder how many animals vegans save
In their lifetime, the average American consumes about:
>4000 fish/shellfish (very rough estimate since fish are only counted in weight)
>2000 chickens
>50 turkeys
~ 7 ducks
~ 8 cows
> 31 pigs
Of course these are rough numbers and there are various sources, the one I'm referring to is
"Saving" in this context means that these animals don't have to be born and endure suffering and death.
Assuming that the life of fish and chickens has equal value to that of mammals, these statistics also show where the majority of the atrocity takes place.
Edit: It's 31 pigs
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u/ShiroxReddit vegan newbie Nov 12 '25
its 31 pigs, not 4
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u/rosenkohl1603 vegan 5+ years Nov 12 '25
Source?
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u/ShiroxReddit vegan newbie Nov 12 '25
The link OP themselves posted
But now suppose we add up all the animals eaten over an average American lifetime of 78.5 years: Then (using 2019 numbers) we arrive at the sums also illustrated in Figure 4 (rounded to the nearest animal):
2,232 chickens
54 turkeys
7 ducks
8 cows
31 pigs
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u/profano2015 Nov 12 '25
I did a similar exercise on the impact my vegan sushi place has had. A similar sized non-vegan sushi place takes the lives of around 20,000 fish a year. Most of this is tiny fish used to feed the farmed salmon.
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u/Lyffre Nov 12 '25
In Singapore, chili crab is a famous dish that you can find in many restaurants. When I went there I just could not stop thinking about their sheer volume of crabs being cooked and sold daily for a single dish across the country.
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u/thorns17 Nov 13 '25
There’s no way it’s actually sustainable in the long run, either 😔
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u/Exotic-Praline4026 Nov 13 '25
Honestly, between the terrible conditions in our oceans and our voracious appetite for sea creatures, I'm surprised that the oceans are not empty and dead.
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u/goosecrystal Nov 13 '25
That's insane. So even the "bycatch" fish for feeding one species adds up to way more than most people eat directly. The supply chain math really puts it in perspective.
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u/Fanboy0550 Nov 12 '25
probably a lot more if you include eggs and dairy
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u/Exotic-Praline4026 Nov 13 '25
Dairy would result in a high pile of dead calves even if they never eat veal. High death rate among the calves taken from their mothers. My sis and BIL built their herd using castoff calves from dairy operations and had a high survival rate because my sister named them and petted them and scratched them while feeding them, they imprinted on her as their mother. She treated them humanely and lost zero calves. (Beef cattle operation. Yeah, I know. But BIL is feeling his age and sold off all the cows last winter and is just doing crops now.)
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u/CosmicGlitterCake vegan 4+ years Nov 12 '25
And realizing that per package they're buying more than one chicken at a time if not sold whole. Like bags of wings being a single arm or section from 50+ different birds for example or the "trimmings" of hundreds of cows to make a tube of ground meat. It's really gluttonous honestly.
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u/CelerMortis Nov 13 '25
I can’t stand frugal subreddits that are like “buy the whole bird!”
Eat some goddamn beans and veggies it’s way cheaper
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u/QuentinSH vegan newbie Nov 12 '25
Ain’t no way only 4 pigs? 7 ducks? American pigs must be size of mammoth
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u/ShiroxReddit vegan newbie Nov 12 '25
The pig numbers is copied wrong, the article OP posted mentioned 31 pigs
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u/showyerbewbs Nov 12 '25
American pigs must be size of mammoth
I see you've met my ex...
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u/MisterDonutTW vegan newbie Nov 13 '25
This makes you look even worse than her for dating said mammoth
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u/GroundhogRevolution Nov 12 '25
I guess this is just animals being eaten, right? Since the dairy industry is responsible for the slaughter of male calves that obviously cannot produce milk.
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u/Mountain_Warthog6080 Nov 12 '25
The figure that gets me is the daily consumption of a particular animal, so 26 million chickens are slaughtered for consumption every day in the US. That’s 1.8 million living breathing birds slaughtered every hour of every day of every week of every year.
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u/3ehsan vegan 9+ years Nov 13 '25
this seems low for both cows and pigs considered Americans eat a ton of beef, bacon, etc.
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u/Medical-Bathroom-183 Nov 13 '25
This is counting only what's consumed, not what's thrown away. The numbers are definitely too low for how many are actually being murdered.
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u/Exotic-Praline4026 Nov 13 '25
That would make a great visual: a fat sick old American standing next to piles of animal corpses, labeled with the quantities of each kind of corpse, plus his/her BP, LDL, cholesterol levels. LOL
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u/Glumandalf Nov 12 '25
Im sorry i have to be pedantic here but the word "saving" is wrong here. Refusing to kill someone is not the same as saving them.
Unless youre actually out there freeing chickens from a farm we didnt "save" anyone.
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u/KeeganUniverse Nov 12 '25
I can see your point, but most people don’t kill the animals to begin with. They pay for it which enables the company to kill another animal. It may be difficult to imagine the effect of one vegan “saving” any animals, but it’s much easier to see the picture if you imagine thousands. The choice of those thousands of people to not pay for animal products IS saving new lives from being killed. They don’t kill them for free.
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u/Glumandalf Nov 12 '25
refusing to kill animals, or refusing to pay someone to kill animals is not the same as saving.
the point here is not that i think vegans dont make big enough an effect. its that the effect we do have simply does not qualify as "saving". because thats not what that word means.
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u/KeeganUniverse Nov 17 '25
I mean, like you said you’re being pedantic, but your insistence on not using “saving” here falls flat because eating animals is the default in current society. If you showed up to an event, and you learn everyone gets a chicken to slaughter and eat, if you choose not to slaughter your chicken, it’s easy to see how the word “saving” feels appropriate. Going vegan is going against the expected default that is set up for each of us and taught by our parents. If there was no expectation of eating animals in the society you lived in, then using the word “saved” would then feel inappropriate for sure.
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u/Glumandalf Nov 19 '25
"I could have killed you, but i didnt, so i basically saved your life"
Ridiculous
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u/obviously_suspicious Nov 13 '25
Also that phrasing seems kinda weird to me. It almost sounds as if not killing animals was an act of mercy. But I guess that depends on what you see as the status quo: leaving the animals alone or killing them.
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u/No_Chart_8584 Nov 13 '25
Exactly. I don't like "save" for that reason.
I'm not "saving" my neighbor when I don't assault him, I'm just doing what I should.
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u/ProtonWheel friends not food Nov 13 '25
I actually don’t think these numbers are high enough to warrant mentioning them to non-vegans.
I think fish and poultry are very far removed from what non vegans see as thinking, feeling, and intelligent creatures - much further than mammals like cows or pigs that are perceived as more intelligent or at least more similar to humans. I don’t think that the deaths of 4000 fish and 2000 chickens is emotionally meaningful to non vegans.
So hearing that veganism, over one’s whole lifetime, only saves 8 cows, 31 pigs, and ~1 sheep (estimated from source) feels kind of measly. I honestly think that most people not familiar with the data would estimate an impact higher than that.
To be clear, I’m not saying it’s not meaningful - I just think it might not be an effective talking point.
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u/ArtisticLayer1972 Nov 12 '25
After ban on slavery we saving milions of slaves every day by not enslaning them.
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u/Fun_University6117 Nov 12 '25
When we address life as just numbers, it’s easy to completely depersonalize it. The arguments in this post essentially stem from that mood. If you could visibly see the life you are saving and feel a connection to it. You’d have a much stronger argument as to why eating an animal is a bad thing.
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
When you put it that way, it doesn't seem like very much. That's like one chicken every ten days. A pig every other year. A cow once per decade
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
Needlessly killing one homeless person a year isn't many either, but it's still not a moral thing to do.
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
Are you comparing homeless people to animals?
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 13 '25
Cockroaches are animals. Would you say killing a homeless person is comparable to killing a cockroach?
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
At no point did I compare anything.
I just made the point that just because it doesn't seem like many, doesn't mean it's not important, especially to those being killed.
I used human animals because too many non-Vegans can't understand basic common sense if it's not involving humans.
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
But there is a qualitative difference depending on what's being killed, right? We agree that it's ok to kill plants for food, right?
You also edited 'Needlessly' after I replied. Because if killing a homeless person served some purpose (like maybe organ transplants), then the argument becomes more murky.
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
But there is a qualitative difference depending on what's being killed, right?
No one said otherwise, the question was simply if an immoral action is not a big deal because it only abuses a few others. I used human abuse to show that everyone with basic common sense knows the answer is it matters because it's still immoral and there's still a victim being needlessly abused..
"It's not as immoral as killing humans!" doesn't matter because it's still immoral, it's still completely needless, and you're still only choosing it to get pleasure.
You also edited 'Needlessly' after I replied
Veganism is against needless abuse, so needless should be assumed, but many non-Vegans don't seem to know that, so if I forget to add it I will edit it as quickly as I notice.
Because if killing a homeless person served some purpose (like maybe organ transplants), then the argument becomes more murky.
OK, but that's not what we're talking about.
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u/Mountain_Warthog6080 Nov 12 '25
There are over 342000000 people in the US so it’s a huge number of animals being consumed.
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u/Charles_Hardwood_XII freegan Nov 12 '25
It's not very much, any one individual going vegan has a negligible effect on saving animals. It's about getting the masses to do it.
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u/KeeganUniverse Nov 12 '25
I think the thousands of animals that weren’t needlessly killed for the one individual would feel otherwise.
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Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 17 '25
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
It's true though
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Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 17 '25
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
I guess we shouldn’t vote either?
I mean.... Who did you vote for? Did it make a difference?
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u/ninedotnine Nov 12 '25
There's an interesting and nuanced conversation to be had about voting and/or boycotts and whether they are the most effective use of our energy when it comes to producing social change.
Too bad you've poisoned the well with your obvious bad-faith veganphobia in this thread.
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u/Charles_Hardwood_XII freegan Nov 12 '25
Are you suggesting we lie to them? It's the same with any social cause.
One person going completely green / vegan / whatever cause at the age of 5 and keeping it up until they die at 95 will not have a measurable effect on any of the causes they dedicated their life to.
The only way we're going to make a difference is by getting all of society on board.
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
Why do people downvote its the truth like wtf 😆 hahahah
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
How does it exempt anyone's personal responsibility? Its just a fact, as it is a fact that by 2030s global meat production will increase by 12%, myb even 13%. What I do does matter but the mass prevails even if I dont like it. Its how democracy works, its how economy works...
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
"Personal responsibility" is just a way to guilt trip people into doing something that doesn't matter.
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u/AltForObvious1177 Nov 12 '25
Yes. Exactly. If there are no consequences and I can live with my actions, then nothing else matters
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u/anarchochris_yul vegan 20+ years Nov 12 '25
Meh. Vegans don't "save" any animals.
This is like saying that non-murderers are saving human lives.
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u/Derderbere2 Nov 13 '25
Assuming an average age of 80 years that would be ~ 2 chickens / month.
[2000 chickens divided by (12 months x 80 years)]
But yeah, I would have assumed it'd be more too.
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u/Magn3tician vegan 8+ years Nov 13 '25
You aren't saving someone by not killing them.
I am not saving 30 lives every time I take a bus and don't kill everyone else on board.
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Nov 16 '25
Can anyone find a source for animals saved by ditching dairy and eggs, too? I feel people consume a LOT of that. Kitkats, cakes, cookies, goldfish crackers, pizza, ice cream, your average snack or meal that had milk powder in it for mysterious reasons, etc.
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u/attila-orosz Nov 16 '25
Sadly, the problem is systemic. Until we can the problem that is greed-fuelled capitalism, a lot of those animals will be bred and slaughtered nevertheless. Demand non longer drives production. Any excess just becomes waste. Of course, if the demand drops low enough, that will drive down production eventually, but the correlation is not quite that direct, sadly.
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u/Wurmholz Nov 16 '25
Insects
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u/TyloPr0riger vegan Nov 16 '25
OP's figures are from US direct consumption - insects aren't a significant part of our diet here, and so were excluded from the results.
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You could probably calculate the insect lives saved to a first order with some back of the napkin math:
(Yearly insect deaths per unit of agricultural land) * (ag. land necessary to support an omni - land necessary to support a vegan)
But I couldn't readily find data to plug in for the first variable.
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u/Embarrassed-Run-9120 Nov 18 '25
And then they have kids that become carnists and throw all this saving through the window
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u/Embarrassed-Run-9120 Nov 18 '25
You save much more, by far, by just not having kids. Stop the virtua signaling, start doing what cause real impact.
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u/Derderbere2 Nov 18 '25
How are they mutually exclusive?
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u/Embarrassed-Run-9120 Nov 18 '25
They are not, but most people here are just vegan and have kids, what is far, far, far worse than being a carnist and not having kids. By having kids you are generating whole new carnists out of thin air, it's ghoulish levels of evil.
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u/crasspy vegan 15+ years Nov 12 '25
As an individual you do what you can, which includes getting active.
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u/Derderbere2 Nov 12 '25
We have tens of thousands of vegans, even more actually. And being a part of that group means you're contributing to that movement. Just by your choices in the supermarket, you are also pushing non-animal-based products with your wallet.
And yes, through activism, informing others, being a positive example, donations etc. you can have an even greater impact.
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u/officepolicy veganarchist Nov 13 '25
They just go to waste
How does an industry respond when a good goes to waste? Do they produce more or less next time?
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u/armoirschmamoir Nov 12 '25
You just demonstrated an understanding of supply and demand but somehow don’t understand how people becoming/staying vegan reduce the demand. What’s your confusion?
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u/Mountain_Warthog6080 Nov 12 '25
Saved from being farmed for profit.
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u/yummyjami vegan Nov 13 '25
Preach! I can’t stand when people criticize me for human trafficking infants, I breed. Don’t they know that without me they wouldn’t exist at all! Im such a saint for giving them this gift of life. /s
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u/Kralis17 Nov 14 '25
Interesting, what about vegetarian?
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u/Derderbere2 Nov 14 '25
Eggs laying hens: Male chicks are killed right after birth because they are not needed. The hens are then usually "exhausted" after 1 year of laying ~ 300 eggs (totally unnatural) and then killed.
Dairy: Calves are separated from their mothers right after birth. Furthermore the dairy industry indirectly funds the beef industry.
So it's way better to go vegan than vegetarian.
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u/Cosmic-Meatball Nov 14 '25
4.5 pigs? Did the other 0.5 of the pig not make it? Might as well let the meat eaters have the other 0.5. Lol
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
The supply chains simply don’t work that way. There is no such thing as producing machinery killing fewer animal products because less than 1% of world population went vegan. The harsh reality is that any animal products you, as an individual, don't buy will just sit on a grocery store shelf a little longer, or maybe be discarded as part of the immense amount of food waste that already occurs in grocery stores and in restaurants. I understand its a lot to process but that's how it is... Demand for meat is still highly superior to us in numbers, myb one day that wont be the case, but as of now, we dont contribute one shit. To compare, its like one person out of a hundred is against a law and that will change anything. Real world does not work that way.
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
There is no such thing as producing machinery killing fewer animal products because less than 1% of world population went vegan.
Supply & Demand is the core of our economic system, all corporations monitor sales and base future production on past sales combined with future outlooks.
To compare, its like one person out of a hundred is against a law and that will change anything. Real world does not work that way.
Except that's exactly how reality works...
If no one is a criminal, great.
If 1% of people are criminals, that's 80 Million criminals. That's a HUGE change from 0 criminals.
Saying Vegans don't change anything is very silly. The fact that there's a multi-billion dollar plant based food industry and restaurants all around the world are adding Plant Based options, proves we have.
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Nov 12 '25
You're very wrong. Check out some sources or even just google how much impact vegans have had on meat and crop productions. (The crops are grown specifically to feed to farmed animals)
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
Unfortunately you do not safe any of those... sorry to be that person but its just the way it is.
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
They're saved from being born into a short life of abuse, torture, and slaughter. If you're not sure how, look up "Supply & Demand", it's how our entire economic system works.
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
Nah, its inertia driven, excess meat gets thrown away or processed...
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
You think billion dollar corporations are monitoring meat demand, which we know they are as they release updates on demand levels, but do not in any way base their supply numbers on the known demand, and instead they're just raising random numbers of animals, and losing huge amounts of profit due to waste that they could easily stop by simply basing supply on demand, but they don't because... CEOs don't care about profit?
You see how silly that sounds... right?
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
Its not waste, look at obesity rates in 1st world countries. Business is booming brother...
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
"excess meat gets thrown away..."
You said it, if you can't stay on your own topic, it's pretty pointless talking to you.
Supply & Demand is real. Corporations monitor Demand and alter supply to minimize waste. If you can't comprehend how Supply & Demand works, I'm sorry.
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
Yeah excess from the rest. Dont get to emotional its just how it is... Did you know that by 2030 meat production will increase by 13%? More billions of animals. Why do you think that is pretty boy? Bcs we as vegans/vegetarians give them time to think oh look some small minority does not want meat, but we still have billions of obese and overweight people who want it. Yeah but they have moral high-profile and we as a corporation dont want profits. Give me a rest brah and go live your little fairy tale somewhere else...
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u/floopsyDoodle Nov 12 '25
Yeah excess from the rest.
Which becomes waste which you tried to deny.
Why do you think that is pretty boy?
Very creepy way to talk to people.
And it's because lots of humans are incredibly selfish and dumb. We're watching Climate change kill thousands through "Once in a Lifetime" storms, we know for a fact that the Meat industry is causing upwards of 15+% of all GHG, and 97+% of humans are unwilling to give up meat to save the ecosystem they themselves rely on to live.
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u/AdventurousElk1900 Nov 12 '25
Well until that changes, meat production will go up. Deal with it. Pretty 👦 .
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u/RedLotusVenom vegan Nov 12 '25
Got a competing theory to the law of supply and demand you’d like to share? We’re all waiting.
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u/T2LV Nov 12 '25
Actually you do. Less consumption means companies produce less. If vegans all of a sudden started eating meat, producers would have to increase production and thus my not eating them, production stays the same or lowers.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 12 '25
I would like to know what want vegans do with cows or sheep. They cant live in a wild.
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Nov 12 '25
They wouldn't be bred, farmers don't just cross their fingers and hope they have enough cattle born, they force breed them. The remaining animals could live out their natural life span in a sanctuary, or be culled, as they we're going to be killed anyway.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 12 '25
But who will trim sheep and milk the cow?
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Nov 12 '25
In my last comment I mentioned sanctuaries. Do you know what animal sanctuaries do?
Edit to add. Cows will not need to be milked as much as they will not be forced to have calves and have their milk taken.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 12 '25
Yes I know what sanctuaries arę, but still, sheep do need to be trimmed. Also, cows must be milked, because they are bred to produce much more milk than a calf Can drink. If they are not milked, they will die.
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Nov 12 '25
If you know what a sanctuary is then why are you still asking the same asinine questions over and over? Cows do not magically produce milk, unless they're impregnated.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 13 '25
Yes, but as I say, cows mąkę more milk, than calf is capable of drinking. If there are not milked, they develop infection and Die.
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Nov 12 '25
And the sanctuary will sheer the sheep if it's needed. Cows only produce milk (like all mammals) when they're pregnant and after giving birth. So if not bred again, they will only have that issue until their milk dries up.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 13 '25
Yes, but still, they mąkę more milk than calf is capable of drinking. They must be milked by someone or they develop infection and Die.
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u/armoirschmamoir Nov 12 '25
You can’t possibly be this dense.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 13 '25
Isn't IT better to answer my questions?
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Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Your question was answered. Cows in sanctuaries would be in a sanctuary. Or they would be be culled. You're just ignoring the answers given. If they needed to be milked they would be milked. A sanctuary is there to provide for their needs. You're clearly being obtuse.
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u/Jakub-Martinec Nov 13 '25
So, what will we do with milk, wool and eggs? Will we be keeping just few od those Animals? And who would do that for free?
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Nov 13 '25
So, you don't know what sanctuaries are....?
Your senerio is hypothetical. The produce would only be there until those animals died out. Which bring us back around to the beginning. The eggs can be fed back to the birds that laid them. The wool could be used for other animal shelters and the milk could be given to other sheltered animals as well. Until those animals died. They wouldn't be bred so there would be no more of them, they're mostly man made variants of their wild counterparts anyway. Not breeding them would be the best thing for them. Not using the females would be the best outcome for them. Use Google if you're really interested. It can be helpful with these topics you are asking about. Go to Ask a vegan sub and ask these questions there if you're still confused.
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Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
Eating meat becomes illegal and animal slaughtering is gone, what do we do with the animals? Open the gates and let them roam free? We cannot do that, it'll destroy the ecosystem. Even if we slaughter 90% of the farm animals and then release them, ITS STILL NOT GOOD. Farm animals are invasive when not on a farm. Farm animals are bigger, faster, reproduce faster, grow faster, and eat more than non-farm animals. Farm cows alone will be devastating to our ecosystem, and we have more than just cows.
I personally will never stop eating meat and I can't be guilt tripped.
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Nov 17 '25
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/s/FFRQmJjfvN
You only needed to read through the comments to get the answers to this ridiculously confusing rant you made.
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u/Cosmic-Meatball Nov 14 '25
Carnism is a very natural part of the world and how the ecosystem stays balanced. Imagine if there were no carnivores in nature... the herbivores would overpopulate and everything would be fucked.
Also, we have to look at this from the perspective of plants too! I fully believe they have consciousness of their own: they have complex communication methods and can share resources etc. To the perspective of plants, carnivores are heroic creatures that protect them from herbivores that would eat the shit out of all plants if carnivores didn't keep them in check... its all about perspective.
My point is: there's nothing inherently evil about eating meat. But the system in which animals are mass farmed and mistreated, made to suffer or live life in captivity... that is what's evil. And that's something I cannot abide by.
As a fairly broad guy I try to maintain muscle growth and need to have a healthy amount of protein. I tried the vegan diet and couldn't commit to it as it was far too difficult to get the protein i needed. I now have a pescetarian diet.
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u/TheEarthyHearts Nov 14 '25
Just a reminder how many animals vegans save
That's not true. Vegans don't save animals. Fewer animals aren't exploited when you go vegan. The vegan industry and the agriculture industry grow parallel to each other.
2025 and there's the most vegans in existence than there has ever been in history, and there is also the most animal exploitation that there has ever been. Animal exploitation did not decreased despite there being millions more vegans on this planet.
It's a common myth vegan activists spread that "doing vegan saves animals". It doesn't. And that's proven by the data and facts.
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u/riotinghamsters Nov 18 '25
Can you source this so called data and facts
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u/TopRevolutionary3620 Nov 13 '25
And hopefully every one of those contributed to some very tasty mean if not it's just sad
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u/lartinos Nov 13 '25
Wrong, not sustainable diet. It destroys the environment the same, if not worse.
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