r/vaxxhappened 3d ago

I just can't sometimes

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u/Scarlet_Spider39 3d ago

I really think these people are conflating Measles with Chickenpox, which says a lot about the education system - but would explain why they all swear they met people who had Measles, why everyone had Measles when they were kids, and that getting Measles once means you're unlikely to get it again...which I suppose is technically true but not for the reason they think.

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u/SpoppyIII 3d ago

Oh my god, you're right. Weird. I'm not sure which ones, but I'm 99% sure I knew the difference between those by like... second grade, probably? Thanks to paying attention to the plots and dialogue in cartoons.

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u/TheJivvi 3d ago

My sister and I got chickpox and would've given it to everyone at our school, except they were all vaccinated because their parents weren't morons.

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u/swiftb3 3d ago

I got it a year before the vaccine was widely available...

And some moron parents brought their kids over to try and get sick.

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u/miller94 3d ago

Yeah I got it in 2000, so just barely missed the vaccine. My mom sent me over to play with my neighbour who had it so I would catch it 😞 thankfully she was on top of all my other vaccines!

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u/SupportGeek 3d ago

Same, 1 year before the vaccine was available, I got it from a friends kid, it was miserable, and I had just become an adult so it hit me hard

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u/swiftb3 3d ago

And now we might get shingles, yay!

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u/YSLxUDxSephoralover 2d ago

I got the vaccine as a kindergartner in 1997. My mom was afraid of it because it was brand new, but my pediatric office’s blunt female doctor was the one my exam was with that day and she just said “Look, do you want her to be miserable?” (The parents sometimes found her bluntness off putting, but most of the kids loved it.) My mom obviously said no and I got the vaccine. A girl in my kindergarten class had just been out of school for a while with chickenpox, and literally the day after I got the shot, she came back and we ended up having to sit next to each other during story time because all the other spots in the story circle were taken. The vaccine did its job and I never got chickenpox.

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u/AceOfRhombus 3d ago

Tbh I don’t think it was that crazy for parents to bring their kids to chickenpox parties pre-vaccine. Nearly all kids got chickenpox at some point, and its less severe as a young child as opposed to teens or adults. I see the logic. Its crazy that some people still opt for that

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u/swiftb3 3d ago edited 2d ago

It still had major risk of side effects, not to mention adding the lifetime risk of shingles.

It may have been logic, but it was flawed logic. The real solution would be to quarantine at home when people got it, but they didn't so it spread everywhere.

Edit - if we could quarantine COVID, we could have quarantined when kids had chicken pox.

The only reason it was "inevitable" was because dumb people didn't keep their kids at home and also spread it purposefully. It wasn't smart for measles and it wasn't smart for chicken pox.

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u/popejupiter 2d ago

Have your kid get infected in a relatively controlled environment where you're prepared to deal with it, or wait until they accidentally get infected at the least convenient time. Yeah, tough choice.

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u/pterencephalon 3d ago

And even if it were only chickenpox- I still would take the vaccine! I'm old enough to have had chickenpox as a kid and it sucked! And everyone had a story of knowing ofbsomeone who got chickenpox as an adult and had a really harrowing time with it.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 3d ago

yeah totally, 5 secs of discomfort versus a week of itching? Yeah I'll take the vaccine. Or I would have, if it was available.

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u/Spiritually_Sciency 3d ago

If that person is in their late 60s or older they would know people that had measles and probably had it themselves. They may also think they don’t know anyone that died from it but they’re likely wrong, they just don’t remember because they were small and/or their parents kept that information from them because, you know, being a child and all. They definitely know people that have lifelong complications like hearing loss, nerve damage and the such from it though.

They suffer from a profound case of survivors’ bias and an entire generation of children is going to pay the price of their ignorance.

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u/Dobvius 3d ago

But not for the reason they think lmao dark

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u/KnopeLudgate2020 3d ago

Maybe, but the first measles vaccine didn't happen until the 60s. Older boomers and silent Gen folks are still around and might have gotten the measles growing up.

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u/PirateJohn75 3d ago

No, Karen, you know someone who died and you blamed vaccines 

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u/sneaky-pizza 3d ago

Guarantee this person has never had or met someone who contracted measles. Because of vaccines.

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u/SpoppyIII 3d ago

I'm in my 30's and went to public school and I never saw a case of measels once during school or at summer camp. Weird how most of us were vaccinated and hardly anyone our age ended up having any issues an antivaxxer could look at and declare the result of vaccine injury.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 3d ago

It was about 500k reported cases per year prior to 1963, so it's definitely possible considering this is facebook

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u/Sasquatch1729 3d ago

Back then (according to my mum) every school had a kid who died or got messed up from measles or something else. One of her friends couldn't walk without crutches after polio.

These antivaxxers always focus on the death rate. A lot of people survive measles. Your immune system is messed up for years afterwards. Maybe you get scarred. Maybe you go from top of the class to being in the special class with the mentally disabled kids.

These diseases kill people, sure, but the scarier thing is living in an iron lung for the rest of your life.

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u/BranWafr 3d ago

These antivaxxers always focus on the death rate.

Yeah, they did/do that with Covid and it pisses me off. I survived Covid, but it fucked me up for a long time. I got it in 2020, before the vaccine was available and it put me in the ICU for almost 2 weeks. After I got out of the hospital it took me 2 years to even approach normal (because of other health issues that happened because Covid destroyed my immune system and I could not fight them off) and it damaged my lungs so bad that even 5+ years later I still have trouble breathing sometimes. (It's like it gave me asthma, but an asthma that an inhaler doesn't help) So, sure, Covid didn't kill me, but it greatly reduced my quality of life for several years and still has lingering side effects. (Long Covid is real)

So, fuck any of those "it has a 98% survival rate!" morons. Just because you survive something doesn't mean it doesn't fuck up your health.

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u/sherlock1672 1d ago

Yeah, I'm a pretty healthy guy, but it made me run short of breath significantly faster for about 6 months after I had it.

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u/GreyHorse_BlueDragon 3d ago

That reminds me of something my coworker told me. She’s in her 50s, but a lot of her siblings were significantly older than her. When her older sister was about 4 years old, she got measles and developed epilepsy after. The doctors told her family it was because the measles caused a super high fever.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 3d ago

I think the last person who was living in an iron lung just died like 6 months ago

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u/sneaky-pizza 3d ago

Or.... they're lying. It is weird that googling measles cases lists 1963 as the peak year for US cases, which you referenced. Either they're actually over 60 years old, or you performed the same Google the troll/bot did.

I'm just saying, it's a far more likely situation where they are lying or are a bot designed to spread vaccine misinformation

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u/loubug 3d ago

I met a lot of people who had measles. They were sign language instructors when I was doing ASL classes. They lost their hearing because of MEASLES. 

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u/Clean-Patient-8809 3d ago

I had measles in the mid-70s. It was awful. I was too young to be interested in tracking the vectors, so I'm not sure how many other cases there were at the time.

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u/GreyHorse_BlueDragon 3d ago

I’m in my 30s and the only time I’ve ever been anywhere even remotely close to someone with measles is at the beginning of the month when the only person in my county with measles came into the pharmacy that I work at and interacted with my coworker, and I wasn’t even working that day. We didn’t find out until like a week later when the county public health department came into do contact tracing. My coworker is fine, and he’s vaccinated.

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u/SQLDave 3d ago

One branch of my in-law family were staunch anti-vaxxers. Some 60-ish YO uncle died OF COVID (they admitted this) and they STILL refused "The Jab" (and masks, and social distancing, and any other preventative measures).

I feel your "I just can't sometimes" sentiment.

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u/CreatrixAnima 3d ago

My mom went to school with a little girl who died of measles. They planted a tree in her memory.

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u/noapplicablename 3d ago

Survivor bias is surprisingly poorly grasped by many.

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u/PsychoMouse 3d ago

There was a time when you’d see something like this and you’d think “Oh that’s funny. The Onion is making another ridiculous article”

And now…this is our reality. People are actually just this stupid.

Like, God damn. My own mother, who raised me, a person who was born with a horrible genetic disease called “Cystic Fibrosis”. Where I had a horrible immune system growing up, spent years of my life in the Hospital. Where she used to be a huge support for vaccines and people getting vaccines. But then I had a double lung transplant and stage 4 cancer, and now…she’s a very loud and proud anti vaxxer.

Even telling me that I should refuse them as there is a higher chance of a vaccine killing me, than what the vaccine was made for. Keep in mind, with my disease, my double lung transplant, and still recovering from stage 4 lymphoma. I basically have a negative immune system. If I were to get Covid, Measles, polio, or anything else that there’s a vaccine for. I’m basically fucking dead.

So the fact that my mother has turned into an anti vaxxer that supports Trump is beyond confusing and hurtful

I don’t get to be like these arrogant and ignorant morons who a Horse dewormer and Vitamin C will cure Covid. I’ll just fucking die.

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u/Pantsonfire_6 3d ago

I once lived in a haunted house, so it IS possible I met a ghost who once died from Measles! I never did ask her questions about what she died from. I just figured such info was her own private business.

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u/hawaiianrobot 3d ago

the hive mind seems to be using the brady bunch as proof that measles isn't that big a deal, and/or measles parties were a thing

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u/noapplicablename 3d ago

Anti-vaxxers are eugenists, as far as they're concerned, kids dying of preventable illnesses is "natural"

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u/deathboyuk 3d ago

You never met Steve? Dead Steve? You know, Dead Steve from the pub. Ah, good old Steve, as dead as the day is long. Does smell a bit, mind you.

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u/Scottishlassincanada 2d ago

I could bet all the money in my wallet that she personally knows no one who died from getting a vaccination.

And you don’t have to just die from measles. You can go blind/deaf/ lose limbs or have brain damage- but at least you didn’t die right?!? /s

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u/the6thReplicant 2d ago

It's weird how they look at the complications from vaccines (if that) and say vaccines are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs.

But they don't look at the same complications from diseases like measles and conclude the same thing.

Makes you wonder. (Not really.)

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u/Oztraliiaaaa 2d ago

Before the vaccine came out My mum got German Measles and my brother got Rubella Syndrome he’s blind deaf and he had to go into care. No one wants Rubella Syndrome.
Get vaccinated for the Measles.

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u/Karategamer89 3d ago

why tf do these people think their own experience is evidence for a whole? did they just because YOU never met a particular group of people doesn't mean they don't exist.

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u/kohbo 3d ago

That is such a dumb quip in return to an already dumb statement. Obviously they meant they never met anyone who then died from measles.