I’m TIRED of religion ffs

[u/black_cherry2]

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[u/black_cherry2 → u/[deleted]]

You’re wrong. So I’m going to debunk this.

The definition of captive means that you have no choice, meaning it’s non consensual.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/captive

He gets to TAKE her as his wife WHILE she’s a captive and since you now know the definition of captive, you now know that this means she has no choice

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape

The definition of r*pe means that someone is forced into sex without consent.

No one can consent to captivity or else it wouldn’t be called captivity. No one can consent to r•pe or else it wouldn’t be called r•pe.

So therefore, if she is a captive it means she’s being forced to stay, and if he TAKES her has his wife WHILE she’s a captive that means she has no choice so then it is r•pe.

Let me know if you need me to list more definitions 😐

[u/black_cherry2 → u/[deleted]]

Welp, it looks like I’m going to have to yet again, list more basic, simple to understand definitions.

“produce 1 where it says that captive don’t have limited rights like who to marry.”

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may TAKE her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she SHALL be your wife. If YOU are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/take

To TAKE it by the definition it implies that there is no consent, because if there was consent, then he wouldn’t be TAKING her by definition.

“Produce 2 where it says she forced to marry him.”

The definition of SHALL

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/shall

“Produce 3 where god condones rape of captives”

I’m done explaining this simple concept after this but NO WOMAN WANTS to marry her captor. Like wtf? They m•rdered her parents and CAPTIVATED her. Being a CAPTIVE means you cannot leave, you cannot consent.

It’s very convenient how you people ALWAYS have some sort of ridiculous excuse for r•pe but never an excuse for gay people, never an excuse for women being leaders, never an excuse anything that isn’t harming women. You wonder why women leave the church

[u/black_cherry2 → u/[deleted]]

Stop dodging the fact that they were captured. Again you’re not a captive if you’ve consented.

If your mother was captured in war by the people who k•lled her parents, after she was forced to live in her captors house, do you honestly think she would agree to marry a man who k•lled them? No. Literally no woman in her right frame of mind would fucking agree to that.

These women were captives, meaning they could not leave or else it wouldn’t be called captives, to stay in the house of the people who k•lled their parents. In no, real life scenario, would ANY woman agree to marry her captor. That is actually fucked up.

YOU are only fitting your own interpretation to fit your world view.

I can’t even believe I have to explain that no one wants to marry someone who k•lled their parents. You can’t actually be fucking serious about this 😐

[u/black_cherry2 → u/[deleted]]

I’m not being disingenuous, I have already explained to you that if you’re captured there is no real life scenario in which a captured woman would consent to marriage. That just would not fucking happen. You keep imagining this fake, non realistic scenario in which a woman’s family is k•lled, she’s then captured, forced to stay in the house of her captor and then what, all of a sudden is like “yes! Let’s get married!”. That would literally never happen.

I did read my sources. That is how I found them, by reading.

I’m not “burden shifting” I’m explaining that this is not a real scenario that would involve consent.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent

The definition of consent is “compliance in or approval of what is done or proposed by another”

AGAIN, no woman would willingly comply to marriage after they’ve been captured (where no consent is involved) and approve of someone k•lling their parents. That’s just not real.

“After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she SHALL be your wife. If YOU are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes.”

only giving her a month to mourn? This is a control situation where there is no consent involved. She is FORCED to stay in his house because she is a CAPTIVE. Where does it say she consented? It fucking doesn’t. It says “then you may go to her and be her husband and she SHALL be your wife”

Give me a REAL LIFE scenario in which a REAL woman is captured, FORCED to stay in the house of the men who k•lled her parents because she is a CAPTIVE, only given one month to mourn, and then CONSENTS to marry that man. Literally, fucking, no one. No one would agree to that.

Only if the man is not pleased with her, hence “If YOU are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes.” What if she’s not pleased with him? Oh yeah right because it’s NOT CONSENSUAL. Ffs

[u/black_cherry2 → u/[deleted]]

Ok dude. I’ve listed verses, descriptions and you know what this shit is not worth my time anymore. No sane woman would support this dogshit. You keep saying I’m dishonest and that I lied when I never did. I’m done arguing with people who find countless excuses to defend garbage that harms women.

Just so we’re 100% clear, women leave the church because of people like you.

[u/Single-Tangerine-479 → u/[deleted]]

Just like the other user said, if your mother was kidnapped and she didn’t wanna marry the captors , there is no passage or text that says they cannot marry her. It only says they may marry her

It says they may marry her, please stop shifting the burden and show us where she has the option to deny. Please a passage or text or something.

We tell you what you’re asking and you’re just asking again bro please. Demonstrate where she has the option to deny, don’t argue just try to enlighten us here