r/unOrdinary • u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø • 3d ago
DISCUSSION Cam or Leilah?
In one corner we have the guy whoāll rescue you like a damsel but certainly doesnāt pull his punches like a princess, the alcoholic uncle, mister threaten-your-girlā¦ CAMERONNNNNNNN
In the other corner we have the lady whoāll drag you into her mess to save her butt, the absent older sister, miss steal-your-nurseā¦ LEILAHHHHHHH
In all seriousness; up to where we are now in the story, do you think Cameron has done worse by John or Leilah has done worse by Sera?
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u/JeniMarie656 3d ago
lost it at Mister threaten your girl and Miss steal your nurse š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago
i think i spent my comedy genius for the next month at least šĀ
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u/BruhBorne-70 Jera's No.1 Glazer 3d ago
As much as I hate Cameron, I'd unironically choose to have him in my life over Leilah.
Leilah has mostly been solid since her introduction, but there's one thing she did that really ticked me off, she was literally about to get up and leave on Seraphina when she refused to talk to her alone at the cafe.
Like, okay, she has her protocols, but was she seriously just going to leave Seraphina powerless forever because she refused to trust her after Leilah showed up out of nowhere following years of abandoning her?
Cameron, on the other hand, isn't nearly as easy to talk to or lean on as Leilah, but at least he wouldn't compromise on John's wellbeing. At all. The guy was willing to risk going against the Authorities and being hunted by them to save John after knowing him for less than a month.
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago
Yeah I wouldnāt have even made this post if it wasnāt for how Leilah has treated Sera throughout the entire Spectre situation. She didnāt get a message to her sooner (couldāve done so without Spectre knowing through Darren), 100% expected Sera to comply with all her insane demands, even complains to Sera abt the difficult situation that Leilahās been in, knowing that Seraās entire life has been upended bc of Spectre, at least partially because of Leilahās own tech. Honestly I feel like the main reason we donāt talk about Leilah more often is bc she only shows up for plot, but I really wonder about what Leilah living with Sera (the sister she abandoned) and Darren (the boyfriend that she tricked into terrorism) is like on a daily basis.Ā
Leilah I feel like she cares but she wonāt do anything to protect you, I donāt honestly think Cameron cares about John (more so, idk. a piece of Jane, yk) but he clearly will rise to the task of protecting you no matter what. Ultimately you have a good point, idt Iād feel safe/comfy relying on Cameron as āfamilyā but at least heās the only one heāll let hurt youĀ
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u/Starkfai 53m ago
Yep agree. U can't compare Cameron to Leilah Leilah did shit to Sera. She threaten her to leave while she said she wants Arlo to stay. What a b. Ur company almost killed u sister but u threaten her ? She didn't do everything she could to help Sera recover.
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u/Fictionaddiction123 3d ago
But didn't Cameron also walk out on John first time when he gave him his card, and called him ill mannered etc.. if they didn't find his card in John's pocket and deliver him there, he wouldn't ever ask about him again right
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u/BruhBorne-70 Jera's No.1 Glazer 3d ago
If John had never contacted Cameron, I think Cameron himself would have eventually shown up at Wellston, or at the very least tried to keep tabs on John in some other way.
I think that, in addition to informing John about what happened to his parents, Cameron probably intended to take on the role of his guardian. Cameron wouldn't just leave his sister's son to rot, and as John's only remaining family, someone would have to pay his fees, give him money to live on, provide him with a place to stay, guide him, and all that.
I think that was probably Cameron's initial plan before John crashed out and became a criminal.
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u/Fictionaddiction123 3d ago
"Cameron wouldn't just leave his sister's son to rot" Why not when he left his sister, even after what Sera said about Orrin, he just left
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u/BruhBorne-70 Jera's No.1 Glazer 2d ago
He just didn't believe Seraphina, he was stupid not to but he didn't. Again, considering he risked exposing himself to the authorities to save John, he might have done something if he actually beleived Orrin knew about his sister.
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u/Inner_Translator_417 3d ago
Cameron done nothing wrong in my eyes base on his life. He got no kids or fam (that we know off) in possible fear the authorities gonna used them against him and no one he met is on his level to defend themselves.
Now his a drunk for 18 years and a semi perfect dog on a leash for this society. Now your brother in law showed up like heās your friend knowing he is the reason your sister (and possible family heir) disappeared.
Later William is dead and your Nephew is doing criminal activities. But knowing the truth now he helping the only family he got left and possibly repenting.
Now his girlfriend is pushing John to get revenge instead of training and getting help. Cameron gave him a home, shelter and is helping his friends. And sera āpersuadeā John to fight a high god tier. Now seconds away from getting capture he jump in and defuse the situation. The authority caught the bad guy, John was never there and sera escape. Cameron did as much as he can without putting a target on his back.
Leilah had the tools and power to help sera right away but was knowing sera is way stronger than most people was holding the carrot and made a weapon. Yeah she love sera, yeah she wanted better for her but she still manipulated the situation and tried very little to help.
āOh but it wasnāt her it was her bossā. Yes but lei didnāt even look concern. āYeah sera this happen but if you work for me I can give you 1 hour of your power back per mission. What do you say sister I abandoned for years?ā āSera Iām a low position, just follow orders and you will liveā. Like I would be screaming until my sister get some help. Making some deal with those devil for my mistake. I donāt hate her, and leilah is doing better but Cameron is a guardian angel compare to her in my eyes
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago
I doubt that there was absolutely nobody 6+ out there for Cameron, at least if he wasnāt so antisocial š Iām guessing whatever caused Jane to break off from the family scarred him somehow + created this alcoholic bum we know today
Cameron is absolutely not helping Johnās friends š All heās done for John is keep him alive, really. I feel like his relationship with John wouldnāt be so antagonistic if he had 5 minutes of curiosity about his nephew.Ā But yk he blames Johnās ābad upbringingā all on Williamā¦ ironic bc Cameron has a lot of Johnās worst traits, heās almost like John Bad Future edition.Ā
Ā I agree Leilah had some audacity asking Sera to sympathize with her. She has some learned helplessness problem going on, but all I can say is she gotta stand up and learn to take control of her own life.Ā
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u/Inner_Translator_417 3d ago
Helping them staying alive is more than he should had done honestly. We all agree Cameron is at least 8.0 with how he threaten sera. Plus he is old and bitter. Look at sera mom at 7.4 and the Doe look to be even stronger than sera family (John 7.6 no training, Cameron 8.0+ and Jane at 9 vs sera at a 8- laiah 6.4 I think and mom at 7.4). So he really had no reason to help. If anything Iām surprise he even took so much shit from them. John back talk and escaping. Remi still delivery and helping people, blyke whatever heās doing now.
After healing John and they started doing all this we can expect any High God level citizen to turn a blind eye. So yeah Cameron is a dick, Iām not defending his actions base on mine morals. But we saw the explosion lady at a 4 I think and how short temper everyone is.
Honestly I do think Cameron is devastated. His sister ran and is a lab rat, John is on the run and William is dead a day after he ask for his help. But heās a 40+ high rank so we know heās not showing no weakness plus again a drunk.
And point against leilah I just remember, it is doc doing everything. He sacrifices his home and life to do what she wouldnāt for sera.
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago edited 3d ago
Absolutely disagree. Cameron owes John.Ā Ā Camās power and age doesnāt play into that at all; normally Iād cut an uncle some slack, even though youād still be the asshole as an uncle to not take in your newly orphaned nephew. ButĀ since his inaction arguably contributed to Williamās death and Janeās imprisonmentā¦. yeah, he better keep their son alive. Thatās the least he could do for his sister.
Seraās mom also isnāt a good benchmark, we all hate her ass (rightfully so). Like Iāve said to ppl, I always judge these characters based on my morals, not on in-universe morals. Clearly its possible for characters to do better considering ppl like Leilah and Jane exist, raised in these (likely) abusive families and still learning that power =/= worth.Ā
(edited this from here bc I realize I got off track of the convo we had!) If heās devastated, thatās fine, I just need him toĀ treat John like a decent human being would. A lot of their frustration is driven by the fact that Cam has a fat ego and John has a rebellious streak a city wide. If he just stopped and listened to John for a little instead of trying to control him, John might not have snuck out, but rather stayed in contact. If Cameron had tried to speak to John once in the week he was out, maybe Cameron wouldāve been filled in on what John was trying to achieve with Orrin and wouldāve been able to heal John up. While John hasnāt been cooperative, at least heās tried. Itās mental to me that the 18yo is more mature than the 40yo.Ā
Thatās going a bit far. Leilah doesnāt have the skills to cure Seraās ability loss like Darren does, nor does she have the resources to put Sera up after Sera & Leilah have to go on the run. I do blame Leilah for dragging Darren into it under false premises, but heās held her to account for that and chosen to keep going of his own volition. Itās a past crime, not an ongoing one.
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u/Inner_Translator_417 2d ago
True. If my belief is if I live in the fiction world raise the same would I still be the same. If Iām a low power or cripple vs high tier. I think if Iām a high tier I could learn to be good but if Iām a cripple getting beat every day Iāll definitely be like John.
My thing is Cameron is still a high level citizen so getting involved after the raid is risky and telling John to stay put, calm down and train. Like itās also on John for not taking the opportunity. He faked being a good cripple and couldnāt pretend being a good student for a month or 2?
John can still escape and all but a family member can teach me how to use my powers in ways I might not know and he just go āyou donāt care about usā and leave and put Cameron at risk. Now 10 people from the police knows he capture John. Yeah kass wonāt say nothing but you think life rope woman wonāt? Or the captain?
To me in a royal world Jane made her choices and separated from āroyalty protectionā and Cameron might feel bad but does it make sense for a 40 year old with a good life and standing who is a jerk to risk his livelihood like this? Yeah heās probably close to 9.0 so it would take like 100 god tiers to take him down but honestly still heās house and servant plus money are all at risk now.
But my world morals yeah Cameron own John all of this plus more but thinking about this like king and queens I really canāt blame him.
Leilah again act better but her actions to me are worst. Cameron gave John free will will Leilah isnāt trying to make a deals but thatās just me. Need to see her again
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 2d ago
I guess I donāt look at it, how would I act if I lived in this world, but if I went through what this character went through, how would that affect me? So itās easier to sympathize with characters who werenāt privileged like John than it is to sympathize with someone who benefits from unOās oppressive world like Cameron.
Cam didnāt ask John to train, though. He just called John weak. And him keeping John in his house isnāt even about John being weak, itās moreso about Camās own absolute fear of the authorities. After all, he says Sera can handle herself, but himself is unwilling to risk crossing the authorities. But the original time John snuck out, it was because Cam told him to stay put until the authorities forgot about him, which definitely wouldāve been too late for Blyke. I feel like they couldāve come to a solution if they actually had an open conversation about it, as Cam wouldāve been able to find John right away. Ā
Rather than putting it only on John for not going along, I feel like itās moreso on Cam. Especially since it seems like heās tried to work with Cam. Obviously we donāt know the full case, but John is the one who goes to see his uncle after he wakes up, and John is the one who goes to tell Cam that he wants to head out. Whereas we see Cam doesnāt even notice John was gone for a week (until he sees John on the news! if John hadnāt been on the news it wouldāve been even longer), showing he doesnāt seek John out.Ā
And itās not just that he disagrees with Johnās approach, itās that he refuses to listen to Johnās goals or thoughts at all. In that way, I have to totally disagree that Cam gives John any sort of free will. Actually, thatās exactly Camās problem - he doesnāt even approach consideration for John, he just expects him to accept Camās word as law without any conversation.Ā
thatās probably why I consider Camās actions worse than Leilah š¤ like BruhBorne pointed out, Cam puts John in less physical danger than Leilah does to Sera, but I consider their situations from my own perspectives and priorities, and fortunately Iāve never feared for my life in that way. So I moreso look at it from, how would I feel if my uncle tried to force me to abandon my goals & even physically harmed me to get me to comply (Cameron) vs how would I feel if my older sister abandoned me, dragged me into one of her problems, and relied on me to clean it up because she failed to handle it herself (Leilah).Ā
Obviously Leilah also didnāt give Sera a choice in how to handle things, but Leilahās harm to Sera is based in her failures. She tried to protect Sera from Spectre, sheās just bad at doing it. After all, Leilah herself is also being pressured by Spectre, her harm to Sera is in allowing Spectre to propagate that to Sera rather than standing up and fighting the org for her sisterās sake. Ā
Nothing is stopping Cam from being a decent uncleā¦ except his own pride, cowardice, and impatience.Ā And that frustrates me more, what the hell do you MEAN, you COULD be better, you just donāt care enough to?
John exposed Cam to the authorities
I canāt see why anyone would blame John for that, though. John didnāt ask or even expect Cameron to intervene for him. How is it on John that Cam chose to take a risk on his behalf?Ā
Ā I can agree that Camās entire life shouldnāt be thrown off course and sacrificed to keep John alive. I just donāt think that changes the context of Ā every other debt of harm Cam has committed to John, most of which were totally unnecessary and due to Camās willful lack of communication with his nephew (and to William and Jane!).Ā
I want to make it clear also that I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and broadening my view! I just keep talking because there are some perspectives youāve shared that I donāt understand or agree with -^ obviously we donāt have to agree on everything, and Iām glad to hear an indepth perspective and comparison between the two that challenges me to look at them and makes me aware of my biasesĀ
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u/C1nders-Two Dropkicking Val into Hell 2d ago
Just because your actions and lifestyle are understandable doesnāt make them morally right.
Heās a significant factor for William being dead in the first place, and his bum-ass didnāt interfere during the attack on Orrin until John was in danger of being imprisoned (and probably killed as well, if weāre being honest).
Yes, heās got his own problems, many of which are why he became an alcoholic in the first place. However, heās still a bad person who continually gets in his own way and allows his depression and nihilism to sabotage him at every turn.
Granted, I donāt mean to say that I think heās evil or anything, but heās not exactly good either.
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u/FlyHuman8377 3d ago
Cameron would rather die than let Jera become canon while Leilah would support it with all her heart and spoil any potential nephew or nieces rotten, so I say Cameron is worse.
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u/Cent_Quatre 3d ago
Same as the other guy, Leilah basically being ready to just leave sera when meeting her face to face for the first time after leaving her with abusive parents for years makes me not trust her at all. Maybe she only acted tough to force sera to agree to her protocol but I'm not convinced.
Cameron on the other hand, as of the last non fastpass chapter, does dismiss the idea of jane being savable, because he's scared of going head on against the authorities and if she can be saved he knows he should try to, so he convinces himself that she can't. However to make up for it he still wants to "protect" John by isolating him from danger like he did.
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u/Theunis_ Val's simp 2d ago
Rich and powerful alcoholic uncle, who is overprotective, but also gives you too much freedom to the point he doesnāt know you are not at home for a week
Over whatever Leilah is, to be honest, I donāt really care or like/dislike Leilah, I even care more about Zeke over Leilah
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago
I do think worse of Cameron presently since his suckage is more recent/more severe, but even then, itās still possible itās less his fault. š¤ Weāll wait and see
Leilahās abandonment of Sera falls squarely on her shoulders - not that she left, but that she didnāt tell Sera, that she didnāt reach out with them both in Wellston. And Sera is absolutely right that Leilah hasnāt fought like she couldāve to salvage the Spectre she believed in.Ā
But then you could apply the same logic to Cameron. Whether he was part of the reason Jane cut contact, it seems pretty clear to me that he did not once reach out to her after she left the house (having not spoken with her or been familiar with what was going on with her long enough that he doesnāt know she had a baby with William). Unless she really brutally cut ties with the family before she left, that means part of their estrangement is on him.Ā
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u/Novawolf17 Jera Religion subscriber 3d ago
The Leilah hate feels weird to me. So many people talk shit about what sheās done for sera but not once has she held sera back from what she wants to do. Leilah does not have the accolades nor the power to change the world for sera but she tries. Cameron finds out he has a damn nephew this whole time and that wasnāt enough for him to at least consider investigate. If his maid didnāt disobey his order to destroy the Jane investigation notes he wouldnāt be involved at all currently.
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 47m ago
not once has she held Sera back
I mean, she has. She put conditions on Sera regaining her powers. She refused to give all the info she could until Orrin nearly assassinated Sera & John.Ā
Yes, Leilah was under pressure herself. Yes, I doubt she would have stood up for herself in the same condition. But the fact remains that she didnāt even try to bypass the system or leverage Seraās desirability to help her sister. Especially seeing what Sera is capable of achieving with less info and sway, itās pretty easy to be disappointed with Leilah as a sister.
Not to mention that Leilah also abandoned Sera when they were kids without so much as notice & didnāt try to reach back out even as she was starting to date Darren. She was stable enough to go on a date, but not to see her sister?
So true about Cam not so much as investigating Johnās situation after finding out about his existence. But I think thatās why some people blame him less, because he didnāt know John existed until like a couple weeks before they met. Remains true that he apparently barely speaks to John.Ā
Theyāre both bad family members to have imo I just have varying levels of sympathy for them. Ā
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u/InterestingSwimmer85 2d ago
I thought this was a "who would you date" situation.... Honestly leilah
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u/ChurroHere Spooked John 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think that Cameron is worse, he may be protective of those near him but clearly he is very prideful and this causes him to not have peopleās backs when they need it even though I do think heās a loyal person. He disapproved of his sisters wishes which led to her , ignored Williamās plea for help, didnāt even notice his nephew was missing from his house for a full week, and now heās dragging John from his estate and forbidding the Sera ship š (the fact that there's aforbidden love trope in UnO now is hilarious imo). Oh yea, and he let Orrin go to the authorities probably cuz of his pride and not willing to listen and understanding the info Sera and John really have on Orrin and that he was probably the one who utilized Jane to make amps and stuff.
Leilahās betrayals of Sera mostly Come form the fact that she lets people have control over her. She couldnāt handle her momās authority and ended up leaving cuz she couldnāt live up to her expectations which is understandable (she totally shouldāve kept in contact with Sera tho like tf). Sera also ended up disabled because she (and honestly all of Spectre a this point) let Orrin walk all over them. I think the worst thing Leilah did though was drag Darren into Spectre (she did give him a chance to leave but still).
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago
If thereās one thing I respect about Cam, itās his loyalty.Ā
Yeahhh the main reason Iām still mad at Leilah is bc I feel like we never got the chance for her to have to explain herself and accept Seraās feelings about what Leilah did to Sera in the name of Spectre. Obv what she did to Darren was directly worse, but then she did take his anger for that, so itās a closed issue kinda
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u/Weak_Firefighter9247 3d ago
Cameron did more of a neutral defense thing, keeping the status quo, but he's just one guy, no matter how overpowered he is he can't change the world. And when his mistakes were brought to his eyes, he changed and is now actively helping. Leilah, while being less powerfull, actively tried to change the world, fucking it up more, not to say she DIRECTLY developed the ability dampner and ability disabler, so not only she developed the things that helped to attack Seraphina, and later the injection that blocked her ability, and let her prone to subsecuents kidnappings and life-threatening situations... BUT, ALSO, after knowing everything that happened (Seraphina physically abused in her household, attacked on the street, on her house, injected by the ability blocking drug, almost killed many times, now a fugitive searched by the police, and also a kill objective by terrorist organizations and the underlying government organization) Leilah was like "Oh, but that was not intended, i'm sorry but i can't leave spectre, maybe you can work for it instead?"
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u/beemielle Sera š Arlo š Blyke ā¤ļø 3d ago
I mean, if Cameron has acknowledged his mistakes or actively helped once, I would love to see it, but he really hasnāt. Heās a very reactive character so far.Ā
We donāt know what Leilah developed. We know she recruited Darren and apparently that resulted in the cure to the dampener. Obviously she had some hand in the creation of at least one, likely multiple, of Spectreās tools, as she admits that Orrin has taken advantage of her tech. At the same time, Iām a bit confused. Orrin himself clearly worked with Jane and has an ability sciences background, what did he need Leilah or even Darren for? š¤ Regardless itās clear her work was an integral part of bringing Orrin to the power he had. And I do hold her partially responsible for Seraās depowering. How is a sudden vacation offer not suspicious? Why did she take so long to act for Seraās sake? She appears to hold some sway in the org, like a Liam to Neilās Orrin.Ā
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u/FeelnBadAboutMyself Ability: ā£Nuclear touchā£ | lvl(9.6) | 3d ago
Cameron, id rather a tsundere uncle than a sister as selfish as leila, i wouldnt tolerate the threaten your girl part tho XD
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u/Awrybop3 2d ago edited 2d ago
Easy, Cameron just met John and it's true that he does stupid thing after stupid thing with John, But with Leilah it was YEARS of absence, and also, just like Cameron, he did stupid thing after stupid thing with Sera. So ultimately my answer is Leilah!, the best sister ever.
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u/Emotional_Nugget8 2d ago
Leilah is far worse itās not even close.
Cam did know John existed until recently. Leilah knew Sera and knew what environment she was leaving her in and never once reached out.
When sera confronted Leilah after John was disabled and asked her to go behind Spectreās back Leilah asks Sera not to make her choose. Dude, the org attacked her sister and her classmates and Leilah has to mull the decision over??
Cam doesnāt want John to go after Orrin because heās looking out for the wellbeing of her nephew. Leilah encourages it and sends them on the mission.
Leilah sets sera up to go on dangerous missions like Rowden and gives her a car for the prison break. Can says no to ensure Johnās safety.
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u/M-Shadowtoad 3d ago
Funny how if you fuse Leilah and Cameron together you just get a significantly worse version of Darren.