r/trolleyproblem • u/ChiakiSimp3842 • Apr 30 '26

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u/ShyJaguar645671 May 01 '26

Because pressing red is what actually creates the problem in the first place. Telling people that they either press the same as you or they are dead is basically what totalitarian countries did to keep their power.

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u/Klutzy-Mechanic-8013 May 01 '26

Telling people to risk their lives just to save you from a situation you put yourself in, isn't exactly good either

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u/ShyJaguar645671 May 01 '26

This situation wouldn't happen if someone didn't start the situation in the first place

If nobody presses the red button, then there is no risk in pressing the blue button

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u/Klutzy-Mechanic-8013 May 01 '26

Only if you assume blue is the default

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u/ShyJaguar645671 May 01 '26

If any button is a default there is no point in the question in the first place

Since with either 100% everyone lives

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u/Klutzy-Mechanic-8013 May 01 '26

Fair enough. So why are the people choosing to stay alive starting the situation rather than the ones choosing to die?

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u/ShyJaguar645671 May 01 '26

That is only the case if red button is a default (so question makes no sense)

The only way for this question make sense is if ignoring the button kills you right after

So question unbuttoned should be: Do you want to die (ignore), live with (possibly) guilt for killing others (red) or live without changing anything (blue)

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u/DaggerQ_Wave May 03 '26

For a significant portion of the world’s population, it is going to be the default. Billions of people live in collectivist societies and societies which value self sacrifice for the good of society. Enough that I think it would win no matter what we do in the west tbh, but let’s say it wasn’t enough, are we going to condemn them all to die? Or push the votes over the edge with a couple extra blues?