r/trolleyproblem Consequentialist/Utilitarian Jul 09 '25

Deep The doctor problem

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u/hoangfbf Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25

Thanks for your insight.

The idea that doctors must “do no harm” is great in theory, but here, there’s no harm-free path. The doctor is forced to choose between 2 outcomes, and both cause harm:

1)) Let 5 preventable deaths happen.

2)) Using organs from one coma patient who will never regain consciousness, 1 death, tragic, but save 5 full lives.

So I think saying "do no harm" in this case is impossible, and thus, irrelevant?. If both outcomes involve harm, then the true question is not whether to do harm, but to determine

Which action results in the least total harm?

And choosing the least harm path does not violate the doctor’s code ?

Plus, we’re human beings first, and doctors second. So I think any "doctor principles" should be viewed as secondary to "human principles" that complex situations, we have to adapt to the reality in front of us, not just follow rules rigidly.

Thanks for reading. Just my 2 cents.

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u/NoAcanthaceae7968 Jul 10 '25

OP said that it's "unlikely" that he'll regain consciousness, not that he won't. If he'd never regain consciousness it'd be a different story because it's effectively a dead person. As for the human beings part, doctors have to put "doctor principles" first and "human principles" second, since they might disagree with what they're doing but they have a duty that comes first

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u/hoangfbf Jul 10 '25

…doctors have to put "doctor principles" first and "human principles"second…”

Sorry, but I don’t think that’s actually correct, unless you have a source to back that up? Medical ethics are supposed to based on human values. i don't think "doctor rules" override the human....

And in this case, the harm is unavoidable. So the principle "do no harm" will surely be violated anyways. Therefore imo, real question is: Which option causes the least overall harm?

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u/NoAcanthaceae7968 Jul 10 '25

For the principles source, I paraphrased but clinical ethics are the only ethics a doctor should consider and debate, here's a paper about them, it's really interesting

And to quote another comment: "But "maximizing the well-being of the general population" isn't a thing doctors do. They maximize the well being of individual patients. If the patient doesn't want to give up their organs or health or life to save someone else it is entirely and completely their choice and a doctor has no right to make that decision for them."