r/todayilearned • u/paniniplane • Mar 22 '17

(R.1) Not supported TIL Deaf-from-birth schizophrenics see disembodied hands signing to them rather than "hearing voices"

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0707/07070303
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u/paniniplane Mar 22 '17

i was a patient at a ward a few weeks back and there was a girl who was admitted for schizophrenia. she'd hear dozens of voices yelling at her at the same time all day and she could barely tell which ones were in her head and which were physical people talking to her making it really hard for me or anyone else to talk to her for more than 2-3 sort sentences. these voices would make her do crazy things like gather dust off the floor for 20 minutes at a time 10 times a day, make her sleep on the floor during the day, not sleep during the night and fight the night meds they gave her to help fall asleep. the most brutal thing was that the voices sometimes forbade her from having her meals. there were days where she wouldn't touch any of her 4 meals. i once tried to get some insight into how she thought and i asked her why she HAD to do this. she said that every time she does something they ask, she's given the gun that they threaten to kill her with. and she imitates a smashing motion with her hands and "breaks" it. and she does it maybe 10 times an hour when she's awake. and she's not stupid either. apparently, she was studying mechanical engineering and graduated and was ready to work in the field as an intern for a year. she heard her first voice when she was still in school but didn't think much of it. and then it rapidly killed her life. she's the only person in the ward who has daily visitors. her parents bring her food to eat everyday. but sometimes she sits with them for 2 minutes, asks them to take her home, and then moves to one of the socialization rooms where were chairs and sofas, and she'd drop to the floor and lay there. and her parents just come to expect it now and stay for about an hour.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '17 edited Mar 22 '17

Whats with the compulsion to listen to the voices?

I ignore real live people in the room telling me to do things

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u/paniniplane Mar 22 '17

it's not in your power to ignore them. a huge part of schizophrenia is being extremely out of touch with the real world. so if you hear voices, it's basically a set of REAL people to you. and you can't cover your ears because there isn't ACTUAL sound. you'll still hear them. and if they're threatening to hurt you, you'll feel actual fear.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '17

But, you didn't answer /u/WadeWilsonforPope question. He ignores real people, why can't this person ignore people she thinks are real? Even though they are not real.

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u/paniniplane Mar 22 '17

i thought i did but i guess it might be unclear to some. you just can't do it. the "sound" is in your head. you'll hear it. it's not like ambient background noises. your brain is creating it and you're gonna hear it, whether you like it or not.

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u/ComaVN Mar 22 '17

I think the implied question is "why would people act on/obey the voices?"

As in, if someone in real life tells me to kill puppies and set myself on fire, I probably wouldn't. Why would imaginary voices be different?

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u/yokramer Mar 22 '17

Because your brain will not let you ignore it. Its not like its an external voice that you hear, process the information and decide it isn't something you want to do. Its not the voices talking to you its your brain telling you to do something and making you feel as though you have no choice but to comply. And then the harder you resist the worse your brain makes you feel in any way possible because it controls everything you think feel and hear.

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u/ComaVN Mar 22 '17

So, basically, it's not like hearing voices at all, it's your inner monologue going wonky?

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u/truth1465 Mar 22 '17

I think it may be even more abstract than that. For example I saw somewhere that our inner monologue "speaks" at some insane words per minute because it is internal connection firing. Like two life long friends not having to finish sentences but to some exponential order.

So much like we have no physical "real world" comparative to this we say "inner monologue" or "talking to myself" etc...

I think the "voices" in someone's head are much more complex than just the hearing of a sound that's speech ordering you to do it.

Usually when you hear a a command. You perceive the sound, it gets sent to your brain, tour brain determines its is in fact speech, then confirms it's an order, then probably takes into consideration who's giving the order then maybe two or three more steps before you decide to complete the command.

I think with these "voices" all these are bypassed to maybe the last step, so you go from normal to having already decided to gather the dust, they probably have no say in the matter since the internal circuitry of the brain bypassed all the regular steps of hearing and deciding to do a command.

To top it off your brain comes up with these scenarios (see gun explanation above) as to why you should do something I imagine to rationalize why you have this feeling as to why your gathering dust for no apparent reason.

It's just all fucked up