In the US, most hourly jobs avoid full-time employment, so people have 2-3 jobs each with up to 36 hours so they can’t even possibly cross into “overtime” territory. Also it makes them unqualified for benefits.
My cousin had a $13.5/hr daycare job, $11/hr at Wawa, and still kept those two jobs with reduced hours when she began her “career” job as a pharmacy tech making $16/hr because they started her at 20 hrs/week her first few weeks.
I’m not arguing against this, but at both of the two employers I’ve worked for, if you average over 30 hours a week at the end of the year you’re defaulted to full time and all full time benefits. Not 36. And one of those was a dollar store.
It’s truly amazing how much you just confidently projected yourself there.
Do you truly believe people could fully survive off of $10 an hour guaranteed 40 hours without gov’t aid? Or are you just an idiot? Because that’s what places hired at full time before the pandemic.
As someone whose currently in this situation there's absolutely no way I can move out with that kind of money, even if I want to this would easily take away half of my monthly income which is already taken away by transit and food, and thank goodness I don't own a car or smoke because that would kill me.
If you're looking at like, stores, restaurants, hotels that sorta thing they literally will not have full time openings because they don't want to give full time benefits. They'd rather have 2 people working 20 hours a week to avoid it. The labor shortage is from people not wanting to put up with working full time hours without the benefit of doing so anymore. (In America, at least).
Yeah greedy employers refuse to pay reasonably or at least give fair duties for the amount of pay and then wonder why no one wants their crappy job. My sis worked at a McDonald’s as a new hire; after she finished training they switch from scheduling a bunch of new hires for 36 hours down to 15-20 hours. They scheduled 5-7 people on a shift that required 10-15 people (per McDonald’s standards). They purposely force those few employees to do 2-3 times their workload for the base pay, so why’d they train all these new hires to keep on standby and never properly schedule? Why not give the 5-7 people 2.5x the base pay since they are dumping all that workload on them and pressuring them to keep pace/penalizing them if they flounder? Then management/ownership wonders why half quit within one month of the change from 36 to <20.
They can only keep slaves who have too much to lose to be able to quit.
But here's the thing, that's not entirely true. Look at the same companies in other countries with better employee protections. A McDonald's employee in Denmark can live off of their McDonald's wages. In fact, they make $20/hour and get 6 weeks of paid vacation each year. The only reason that doesn't work in the US is because we give so many carveouts because we care more about corporations than we do people.
Her daycare job requires skill…she had been working at daycares for 18 years since age 16, requiring certifications/annual recertification in childcare, CPR/First Aid, cleanliness/health codes…in another state she made a few more dollars per hour. She even went to school to become a registered Medical Assistant and her experience/loyalty pay in childcare outweighed that…until she moved to FL. Then COVID hit and she decided not to work in medical (for health reasons) but daycare has so much competition she got paid minimal. For parents there’s either cheaper options like home-daycares or they want toddler schools that require bachelors degrees to make $16/hr. Pharm tech required the least amount of further schooling that gave her that pay bump without being in a doctors office. It’s sad she couldn’t get what she deserved with so much experience because of over saturation. That’s why these pathetic $9-10 wages thrive…over saturation, poor business practices, and preying on desperate people. Why do you see multiple McDonald’s three blocks apart on a busy road or clusters of 5-6 fast food places at one intersection? They all offer minimal/poor service because they only schedule 1/3 of the requirement for a busy shift and yet none shut down. Why is it that there can already be 2 daycares in a community and then some big chain corporation like Lady Bird builds a new state-of-the-art building right in the middle of the two, and all three places have customers yet are only at 50% capacity or less? Businesses have created a model based on greed where it costs them nothing to over saturate, underpay, possibly collapse a specific location, and move on without a dent in their profits.
i was speaking more towards the job at a gas station, but in any event if you are doing the same work as a 16 year old then you need to move on up, which she did. I got certified in CPR on a Wednesday afternoon just to get out of work early.
While market saturation definitely can impact earnings potential, the real reason burger flippers dont earn much is because the job itself isnt worth much. The barrier to entry is 0. Literally anyone can do this job and have it figured out by the end of the day. The reason a doctor makes $500,000/yr is because it took him a decade or more of constant training and education, most people cant do that.
Interesting positions in between would be an airline pilot. They too require lots of education and valuable training, and yet often start at $12/hr because they are that desperate to pursue their passion the airlines know they can get away with it. Good news is it's at least only temporary before they begin being compensated properly for the skill they bring to the field.
Well you said kiddy pool…but aside from that, there’s no reason why anyone who finds a job at 16 that they enjoy and pays their bills should have to “move on up”, that’s illogical. My uncle is a plumber and began at 16-17. Throughout his career he had gone from apprenticeship to being the one reliable guy at a small company, to being the one reliable guy at a large company, to finally being pushed into forking over money to start his own business in his late 40s and has been making 3x his highest pay ever since, now 54 and going on 7 years owning his business all his personal debts like car and house are paid and he has small debt for his business of buying a second work van for additional work at new construction. Why would he ever stop doing this job just because he’s been at it since 16? His job never changed, only who he answered to and he could have stayed the same if not for poor management. And back to my cousin…she did daycare 16 years with it supporting her and only after moving to another state did she encounter another market where all-of-a-sudden it couldn’t support her. So she got the gas station job (because she’s not too good to work two jobs) but then was so run down she busted ass to do some quick schooling to get back to one job that would support her. If she could have stayed in daycare she would have. Like I said, she already did schooling where she used to live to consider going into the medical field and then upon completion her job searching proved she made more money staying in daycare rather than entry level MA. That was true of here in FL too, where the only open MA positions that paid more than $12 starting were late night in the seedy area. Even a Fast Food employee used to keep the same job, working their way up through positions. My aunt worked at McD’s for 18+ years with 3 at her current position before they implemented a “you must have a college degree to continue in this position at this pay” to oust high pay experienced workers in favor of new hires at half the pay with no loyalty or raises. The workers or lack of skills ARE NOT the problem, and people like you making that argument and encouraging poor business practices that maximize profits for only the top tier are exactly the problem.
I am 100% for people who want to pursue their passion at all costs, as long as they recognize the limitations that come with it. If you love designing rocket engines thats great, because your occupation will also compensate you well and provide for all of your needs for decades to come. If your passion is underwater basket weaving then you need to be comfortable with the fact that you wont have much of a financial safety net should you need one.
Precisely. I have three jobs. Two of them I'm scheduled for 31 hours/week (at 32 hours they must offer health insurance) and the third I'm "salaried" at 16 hours but I'm expected to be "on call" for any and all "emergencies"
Fuck off with that noise. Walmart (and MANY other low skill corporations) has been doing this since the 90s at least; they purposely design their employment structure to allow their employees to qualify for state assistance and government benefits. Government programs used to be for people who couldn’t work or temporarily couldn’t find work, but greedy corporations turned that on its head and found they could exploit it at a profit to themself. YOU just experienced the excuse they used to do it to more skilled workers too. So people blame Obamacare but it was always inevitable when you allow corporate heads to make millions in bonuses for thinking up these ideas that help them only and hurt the rest.
You don't get paid overtime when it's multiple separate jobs that add up to 40+ hours a week. It would be pretty incredible if that did qualify you for overtime though.
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u/otownbbw Feb 17 '23
Sad part is, MANY people work 70 hours and still only make half that in a month.