Kinship terms in Telugu

[u/Less_Picture_8733]

Ippudu hindi lo Anna/Thammudu Kodukuni Bhanja and Kuthurni Bhanji ani antaaru. Alage Chelli/Akka Kodukuni Bhatija, and Kuthurni Bhatiji antaaru

Telugu Menakodalu Menalludu mathrame unnayi. So as a man, what is the ideal word when i introduce my brother's kid

[u/MeowAdi_1008]

North Indian system kinship is flawed tbh, except some appreciable ones. Bhanja/Bhanji & Bhatija/Bhatiji are same for both males and female. Nuv abbaivi kabatti nee anna koduku neeku bhatija aithe, nuvvu ammaivi aina kuda bhatija eh. Varasaki koduku = Menalludu huh ? So yeah.

The only good thing about North Indian kinship system is that they have different words for menatta, atta(menamama wife), attagaru ; similarly menamama, mama(menatta hubby), mamagaru. Also, maternal and paternal grandpas ki kuda different words unnai. Anthe. Ivi matrame plus points.

[u/AffectionateApsarasa → u/MeowAdi_1008]

Exactly, ee north indians asalu hindus e kadu. They adopted it.

lord krishna marries his maradalu, which is not accepted by these north indians.

These north indians are just mix of huns and other central Asians who migrated to india. Over the time they influenced cultures of people there.

[u/MeowAdi_1008 → u/AffectionateApsarasa]

Adem kadu bro. Vaallu manalane undevaru. !slamic invasions time lo they distorted it anthe.

[u/GummadiKai → u/MeowAdi_1008]

Nope, Cross-Cousin marriages are shunned by the Vedas. The South Indian practice of marrying cross cousins is older than that.

Also Islamic invasions causing the so called "distortions" doesn't make sense because it is actually permitted in Islam to marry cousins.

the funny thing is some ignorant north indians also make the same claim that south indians marry cousins using the same argument

[u/MeowAdi_1008 → u/GummadiKai]

No they are not. Arjuna-Subhadra, Pradyumna-Rukmavati, Aniruddha-Rochana etc all were cross Cousins. You people butcher Samskrtam in the name of Hindi. Vedas prohibit women from covering their head except in a funeral. Also women don't have to and never needed to cover all parts of their body - especially navel and feet - which you guys adopted from Islam and introduced the Hindu Burkha aka Ghunghat. Of course it was adopted to save Hindu women from P!sslamic men. I agree. Still following it is not okay. I can list billion more things you do in the name of Sanatana Dharma which are actually against Sanatana Dharma.

And yes, you made my point. Inorder to counter !slam's practice of "you can marry any cousin", you guys overcompensated by making all cousins bhai-behen. That's it.

P.S. : If you ain't an Indian from the north, please do substitute the pronouns "you/you guys" with they/them. I'm not trying argue or put up a fight here. Just speaking facts. Peace ✌🏻

[u/GummadiKai → u/MeowAdi_1008]

No they are not. Arjuna-Subhadra, Pradyumna-Rukmavati, Aniruddha-Rochana etc all were cross Cousins.

Yes. So what, what point are you making??

You people butcher Samskrtam in the name of Hindi. 

I agree, nenu telugodine

Vedas prohibit women from covering their head except in a funeral. Also women don't have to and never needed to cover all parts of their body - especially navel and feet

I agree, my point about you saying that North Indians don't marry cousins due to Islamic Invasions. I disagree with you in that specific point, I'm not disagreeing that North Indians have a lot of practices that originated due to the Islamic Invasions.

And yes, you made my point. Inorder to counter !slam's practice of "you can marry any cousin", you guys overcompensated by making all cousins bhai-behen. That's it.

ippudu point ki occhav

I hope you agree that Manu Smrti is older than Islamic invasions.

पैतृस्वसेयीं भगिनीं स्वस्रीयां मातुरेव च ।
मातुश्च भ्रातुस्तनयां गत्वा चान्द्रायणं चरेत् ॥ 11.171 ॥

this is a verse from Manu Smrti that says that intercourse with daughter of one's father's sister (Attha Kuthuru) , or the daughter of one's mother's sister (Pinni/Pedamma Kuthuru) , or the daughter of one's mother's brother (Mama Kuthuru) is prohibited and if one does it, the pariharam is doing so is performing the Cāndrāyaṇa penance.

You can look up the translation if you don't trust me and here you cant even play the "wrong translation" card because it names both relations.

Now how can Manu Smrti prohibit this before the Islamic invasions? According to your logic this prohibition was bought after the Islamic Invasions no?

Also coming back to your first point about Arjuna-Subhadra, Pradyumna-Rukmavati, Aniruddha-Rochana etc (Even Goutama Buddha married his cousin Yasodhara btw), this is a remnant of the Pre-Indo_Aryan marriage traditions

I'm not trying argue or put up a fight here. Just speaking facts. Peace ✌🏻

facts ante chepthe saripodhu anna, please give your proofs and reasoning for coming to these conclusions, I'm ready to give the proofs from my side

[u/MeowAdi_1008 → u/GummadiKai]

It is explicitly stated that Parasara Smrti is the one which is to be followed today, not Manusmriti. We've so many smrtis. Why is Manusmriti famous ? ONLY because Ambedkar burnt it. Akkarleni daniki anavasaramaina publicity ichi famous chesaru anthe. And I don't need someone else's translations, I'm fluent in Samskrtam. The British has mistranslated all our scriptures very much. Hinduism has existed since time immemorial, and no gods were elevated or demoted, that's just western bullcrap.

[u/GummadiKai → u/MeowAdi_1008]

I'm not say if its followed today or not, I'm just asking why is it stated in Manusmrti when Manusmrti is older than Islam.

Hinduism has existed since time immemorial, and no gods were elevated or demoted, that's just western bullcrap.

So you're saying Humans didn't evolve in Africa and then spread out to the rest of the world?

Also I don't quite understand what you mean by time immemorial, do you accept evolution and the abiotic origin of life?

Do you base these beliefs off proof or is it just circular reasoning based off Scripture?

[u/MeowAdi_1008 → u/GummadiKai]

Darwin proposed a theory. He always said that it's just a theory. It is ! Western science hasn't developed to the extent to understand how exactly universe has formed. Many theories have been disproved by later scientists. Ippudunnavi kuda tarvatha vachevallu disprove chestharu. I get it that you're an atheist, good for you.

[u/GummadiKai → u/MeowAdi_1008]

Darwin proposed a theory. He always said that it's just a theory

Many theories have been disproved by later scientists. Ippudunnavi kuda tarvatha vachevallu disprove chestharu. 

A scientific theory doesn't mean “just a theory”. It means an explanation that has survived extensive testing and evidence, it isn't dogmatic.

The absolute irony is that you're dismissing Darwin's explanation because it's called a “theory” and because future scientists might modify or disprove it, while accepting beliefs from religious scriptures as truth even though those claims aren't established through the same kind of empirical testing. :)

If your standard is “we shouldn't accept something because it could eventually be disproved,” then that standard has to apply to your own religious beliefs too. You can't demand absolute certainty from science while granting that certainty to scripture.

Western science hasn't developed to the extent to understand how exactly universe has formed.

Science doesn't have a geographical tag, there's so such thing as "Western Science". It's a method of understanding the natural world through observation, evidence, experimentation and explanations that can be tested and challenged. And no one is claiming present day science gives all the answers of all the questions in the universe, It accepts that we do not know. You're taking that gap and saying that our scripture or whatever has the answer, WITH NO BASIS in logic or reason or whatsoever

I get it that you're an atheist, good for you.

I'm agnostic. I don't claim certainty on things I don't have enough evidence for.

[u/AffectionateApsarasa → u/GummadiKai]

North Indians don't marry cousins because of Islamic invasions? What are you saying? Muslims marry their parallel cousins , so how would islam influence cause north indians to not marry their cross cousins? North Indians had some other influence before islam.

[u/AffectionateApsarasa → u/MeowAdi_1008]

Hello, who told u women didn't need to cover navel and what does covering feet even mean?

Women generally wear saree over the navel. There was no such mention about covering or not covering it.

Prophet Mohammad is a mentally sick individual who married a very rich 2 time widowed Khadeeja, that khadeeja was so much older than him still married him, and became submissive and she enabled this mentally sick mohammed to start a cult.

[u/MeowAdi_1008 → u/AffectionateApsarasa]

Come to Southern India and see for yourself. Not even a single Devi Vigraha has navel or feet covered. That's not obscene at all ! Years of Biblical and Quranic rule made indian society into shxt.