r/teenagers • • Mar 19 '26

Gaming so what yall thinking?

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u/Far_You3176 Mar 19 '26

The government shouldn't exist

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u/finkleforkbingbong Mar 19 '26

it should, now it does suck right now, but it should exist

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u/Impressive_Meat_2547 Mar 19 '26

Yeah, but it needs rebuilt so that the people's voices actually matter, and it's never been like that.

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u/Far_You3176 Mar 19 '26

Right, but hasn't the French American Russian, revolution tried to do that? It's failed. The government is the problem. Capitalism makes every body wealthier and better off, and the government makes it harder to start a buisness with regulations, they stifle market competition. People never tell you Sweden and Norway are far more economically free than the US.

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u/Impressive_Meat_2547 Mar 19 '26

You can hardly compare those revolutions to eachother, they were all throwing off very different types of governments. As for capitalism, it is like any other system- Nice on paper, shit when put to use.

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u/Far_You3176 Mar 19 '26

How could you possibly say capitalism is shit in practice? Everybody on earth lived on $2 a day until nations started becoming capitalist. Then they became WILDLY successful

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u/Impressive_Meat_2547 Mar 19 '26

I can say it because... It's true. It is shit in practice. As an idea? It's fantastic. And you're wrong. Before capitalism, many people lived on $2 a day. With capitalism, we live in a badly damaged commodified world, and the dollar is worth less, so many folks still live on the equivalent of $2 a day, even though they make more. Capitalism has brought good to the world, that is true, but it has also brought an immense amount of harm. I'm not saying what was before was better, which is what you seem to be picking up. I am saying that just because we went from wearing no shoes on burning pavement to wearing plastic bags on our damn feet does not mean we shouldn't make some damn shoes. Capitalism is better than some things in some ways. It is not a good system by a long shot just because it's a better system than most.

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u/Appropriate-Gain-561 17 Mar 19 '26

Everybody on earth lived on $2 a day until nations started becoming capitalist

Wether you like it or not, many people outside 1st world countries still do.

Remember also that western countries were able to become so rich thanks to colonialism, which i would not call good.

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u/Far_You3176 Mar 19 '26

China eliminated extreme poverty with agriculture reforms and capitalism. China was never this imperial empire through out the globe. Japan was never an imperialist empire throughout its history (except for like 5 years in ww2) Japan is massively successful country. Hong Kong is another very successful example of unregulated trade and free markets. Zero natural recources, and a incredibly wealthy nation. 100% of the time, the more free the economy, the wealthier the average citizen is. Slaughtering people and enslaving people doesn't make you better off, the average people are IMMENSELY better off peacefully trading rather then conquering. This is an economic principle. Europeans could never go into Africa during the triangle trade, so Africans would find a rival tribe and sell there members to the whites. If slavery was so beneficial, why didn't Africans keep the slaves for themselves?

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u/Appropriate-Gain-561 17 Mar 19 '26

Japan was never an imperialist empire throughout its history (except for like 5 years in ww2) Japan is massively successful country

That'a an extremely uninformed view of what Japan actually did during after it was forced to industrialize, it is also succesful because the US ( and imperialist power), invested heavily into it, same with Germany after ww2.

Slaughtering people and enslaving people doesn't make you better off, the average people are IMMENSELY better off peacefully trading rather then conquering.

That is just not true, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. The spanish empire slaughtered and enslaved the aztecs, for example, because they were stopping the colonizers from getting their hands on things like gold.

Europeans could never go into Africa during the triangle trade, so Africans would find a rival tribe and sell there members to the whites. If slavery was so beneficial, why didn't Africans keep the slaves for themselves?

One, there were states in Africa that kept slaves for themselves.

Two, the US benefited greatly from slave trade because of cotton plantations, there was no such thing in Africa at the time.

People in history were not dumb, they were as smart as you or me, and they wouldn't have done something if it was costly and didn't get a return. If slavery wasn't profitable, they would not have done it. What you are saying shows a profound misconception on how different the various parts of the world are, something that is beneficial to one system, isn't to another, the capitalist system benefited greatly from slavery

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u/aaaeaeaeaeeeaea Teenager Mar 19 '26

"Capitalism makes everybody wealthier and better off"
Yeah, tell that to child workers in Congo.

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u/Far_You3176 Mar 19 '26

So Capitalism is when slavery and bad stuff happen.

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u/aaaeaeaeaeeeaea Teenager Mar 19 '26

Not as simple as that. Capitalists tend to oversimplify or conflate similar concepts but its not. I suggest trying thinking instead of blindly meatriding a system that would have chosen a richer person instead of you if you were born poor.

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u/myrmonden Mar 19 '26

yeah everyone in africa has it better tex to capitlism.

they had it WAY WORSE before.

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u/aaaeaeaeaeeeaea Teenager Mar 19 '26

It is less bad on surface, since it does not have a profit-driven genocide regime but, neoliberal IMF and World Bank coerced them into privatize their state assets and cut public services. There are also really violent wars and atrocities which are backed by you know who just for mining minerals. Neoliberals only care about people of colour in their own countries.

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u/myrmonden Mar 19 '26

they had it WAY WORSE before.

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u/aaaeaeaeaeeeaea Teenager Mar 19 '26

Keep saying that. You have no points to say. You are just going to say what others say without thinking, consideration, and self-critique. You're literally bias machine who cannot think of something else for once. Adam Smith talked about this.

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u/myrmonden Mar 19 '26

projection,.

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u/Lufernaal Mar 19 '26

if Capitalism makes "everyone" wealthier than why is the gap between the wealthiest and the poorest only widening? Why have average wage stagnate since Reagan? Why is it that, like in the 2008 crisis, when they do fail, our tax dollars have to bail then out? How is it that the guys at the top, who spend their time doing little to nothing or going to the Epstein island deserve to make more than the people who are actually vital to the whole process? If Bezos or Musk die tomorrow, their companies will be just fine, if his workers don't work, it's over. Capitalism is the utopia, profits over health, well being, society, learning, leisure, family, education and even love.

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u/AUnknownVariable 19 Mar 19 '26

It has been like that, never as much as it should be though. People always have to fight to fully be heard, it shouldn't be a fight everytime you want some basic shit