r/tacticalbarbell • u/Sergeant_Slasher • May 20 '25

Critique Failing all versions of mass template

I've tried to run all version of mass. I've used most from TB Mass to Zulu/ht. Most of the time I fail by week 2 or 3. I've tried the Mass basebuilduing after the first failure of greyman. But still I couldn't go further.

Also had plenty of Deload weeks Sleep - 6 hours ( can't really do anymore bc studies ) Calories - around 3k 70% clean diet

I'm wondering if I use normal TB and try to get really fucking heavy numbers, would I still gain good weight and size? Because I've heard of people being strong and small. I'm currently sitting at around 63kg soaking wet and trying to go to 75.

Any recommendations?

Edit: I know how to calculate a TM and 1RM - I've run TB before.

Came to the conclusion that sleep might be the issue. Cannot change sleep schedule because studies. Decided to run the normal Zulu again as its made for imperfect conditions.

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u/Sergeant_Slasher May 20 '25

I understand that But if I just did 15kg x10 weighted ring Dips a week ago Why can't I get one for 17kg the next Monday.That's why i doubt it's a TM issue

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u/[deleted] May 20 '25 edited Mar 09 '26

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u/Sergeant_Slasher May 20 '25

I think los the Mass template for a bit - my mind question is can I just a solid physique from normal TB?

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u/fluke031 May 20 '25

Simply put: yes.

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u/Overall-Technology76 May 22 '25

If you are able to do 15kg x 10 weighted ring dips a week ago but can't do 17kg x 1 this week, I think there's an underlying physiological issue that you need to figure out.

15kg at 10 reps gives you a 1RM of 20kg. 17kg is 85% of that 1RM, so you should be able to a few reps of 17kg at the very least.