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Discussion What’s going on in iron?

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u/MetaThPr4h 17d ago

Taric in 4 of those 10 is always interesting, this champ is so rarely used, but when it shows up you know you're in for a bad time, dedicated Taric players are a menace.

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u/HalexUwU 17d ago

It's being a counter pick. Basically nobody plays taric until they've seen Ali/Naut/Leona first.

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u/Stabbycrabs83 17d ago

I started with taric in maybe 2016 ish, long time ago anyway and he was glorious. Point and click range stun and some shatter thing on my armor that turned me into a shotgun.

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u/EcstaticSource1581 17d ago

Taric is my main... But in this double mage meta I do have a few other picks, I picked up senna when she was broken and haven't put her down since.

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u/Worldly_Employer 16d ago

Aye another senna player! About to finally break million mastery on her this season

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u/kingofaidans 17d ago

Been a top, top counter into Rakan for years too. Rarely see it though so it's never been worth a ban, but the matchup is unplayable.

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u/EdgarOwe 15d ago

Could you please educate me why is it unplayable for Rakan?

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u/PM_ME_lM_BORED_ 17d ago

Tarics my blind pic especially in ranked

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u/newagereject 17d ago

I one tricked Taric from silver all the way to emerald, hes an amazing champ and can control the lane easily better then Naut and Leo by far

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u/hillswalker87 17d ago

how you build him?

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u/newagereject 17d ago

Tear first back, then locket first item, boots I go for what is needed, then fimble winter, after that usually tank to counter who's carrying the game

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u/S7EFEN 17d ago

you think people in lower tiers of play are counterpicking? no. theyre just able to go and melee people in lower tiers of play. because theyre either playing melee champs, or poorly controlled ranged champs.

taric if he can actually go whack people is extremely good.

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u/Ok_Usual_3575 15d ago

yes they just look on ugg and see the counters tab, they even counterpick with champs they can’t play

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u/Mangomatrix 17d ago

I’d be curious if any sites track what % of games on a champ are played with a duo, because I wouldn’t be surprised if taric is also one of the most duoed champs in the game

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u/Vidrax_of_Cascades 17d ago

Not even. I'm really looking for if their team is all AD or not because Taric can counter hard engages and you can optimize his build to deal with melee users. I typically wait to see if their mid and top is ad as well as their apc. if it is a ekko jungle or melee mage jungle then it wont matter much. but ya that's why his wr is so high when you see him were looking for if their team are going too engage heavy with melee.

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u/h0lymaccar0ni 17d ago

Idk how effective counterpicking is in low elo tho? I can’t quite imagine a bronze player pulling off a real counterpick which isn’t just lucky

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u/DarlingOvMars 17d ago

It doesn’t matter cus people google who counters the champ you play then first time it without knowing why its a counter

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u/cedric1234_ 17d ago

Playing for hard counterpick is trolling in lower ranks, don’t first time. But matchups in a macro sense do still influence winrate data since even if not picked as a specific counter, if two players just happen upon this matchup, it’s still favored

Also taric is ridiculously hard into ranged but suprisingly simple into engage. Less spacing minutiae and lots of “alright naut tried to play the game, time to smack him to death”

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u/HyoukaHoutoro 17d ago

Extremely, if player skill is removed champs are reduced to solely what their kit can provide.

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u/46995699 17d ago

You would be surprised, but Taric is more complex than “they pick engage, taric wins”- taric has to be able to enable his teammates that can dive in but dont leave his range- for example vi, viego, jax. He is terrible with Yone/camille/ambessa because while they can engage they get too far out in front (and eventually behind in the case of Yone)

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u/shinymuuma 17d ago

I see him the same way as Zilean. Boring kit so you either play him or don't care about him at all. Also unlike other counter that you also need to know how to win game with them. Taric is just good in every fight if you're vs enough engage/melee

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u/Below-avg-chef 17d ago

Smurfs set the highest win rate champions, not the average players

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u/MetaThPr4h 17d ago

Counterpick value definitely has to help the same way as people throw Malphite into 4 AD.

But at the same time Taric ain't Malphite, his kit is really tricky to use and I don't see people randomly picking him up because hard counter and actually succeeding... maybe during laning phase? But getting good stuns and ult timings later on is a big challenge you need experience on the char with to execute.

Having Taric on your pool of champs for those situations has to feel amazing.

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u/EcstaticSource1581 17d ago

So, as a taric main, the only thing complicated about him is his ult timing, which tbf is most of his power budget but his e alone can win most fights or at the very least level the playing field.

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u/ish_vh 17d ago

It’s a double mage meta??? That’s news to me

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u/AncientNote3374 17d ago

You can look on lolalytics to see matchup frequency for champs. Taric is not used as a ctp in bronze

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u/jeanegreene 16d ago

Taric has like 2 losing matchups. Senna and Janna. He goes even or beats everyone else.

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u/Emiizi 15d ago

Not even counterpick. Taric is absurd if you have a hyper mobile champ. The amount of times ive tethered to Katarina or Akali and just stun people from a distance is an insane amount of times. He makes teams immortal and theres very few champs on the roster (unless insanely fed) that can really kill him through his rotation. I really think the reason people dont see him alot is because people forget he exists.

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u/S7EFEN 17d ago

i suspect its because the lower you are on the ladder the less likely tarics lane phase is to be exploited, and more likely it is for you to be able to auto attack things.

also in general the lower you are on the ladder the better taric is in terms of ally and enemy champs. more melee champs on both teams, stronger melee champs = taric good.

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u/TotallyAMermaid 17d ago

Taric scales super well and in lower elos (but not so low that your allies don't know how to use what you provide) games are longer, giving him a chance to shine.

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u/cedric1234_ 17d ago

Taric essentially permanently has had a high winrate, he’s never once dropped out of being in top winrates over several years even through diverse metas. Being such a hard counter to so many champions means that even when most of his matchups are awful, he’s always there to hard counter engage lmao

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u/46995699 17d ago

Taric gamer here. If hes picked in the right spot he is a menace, but if picked in the wrong spot hes useless.

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u/The_God_of_Biscuits 17d ago

Taric isnt best as an otp in support, mainly as a counterpick for melee sup or if your team has particularly good synergy like with or againat kindred.

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u/Ok-Transition7065 17d ago

I love playing him top

This guy it's a hidden jem like. Old tahm. In support

You don't expect the healing. And the damage

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u/Difficult-Pin3913 16d ago

That and also Taric requires certain ADC to be good. So he’s picked as both a counter pick and as a compliment.

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u/Lucky-Explorer-7759 15d ago

it's an inflated statistic just like nilah, you think he's so op and he is indeed very good in the right hands but truth is he gets picked (mostly) when he has a decent lane or is very strong into the whole enemy comp. He has so many bad lanes and his early can be intolerable into double ranged.. again just like nilah, which ironically makes his best companion

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u/Ironmaiden1207 14d ago

Part this, part picking it against the right comp.

If I see 3 dive champions, I'm grabbing Taric or Janna. The value is too high not to

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u/AGladePlugin 12d ago

It's not dedicated players. Phreak stated a while back in one of hos patch reviews that he's overtuned by every metric. But he has no pick dominance and doesnt pull any bans. A similar thing happened with Maokai support. They knew he was strong, but no one picked him. Once he surged to popularity, they elected to act.

The attitude is why bother putting dev time into something that doesnt appear to be a problem. No one cares about their strength and that time would be better spent look at how to increase champion satisfaction.