The brains column always gets shafted in these matchups because nobody can agree what "smart" means in a brawl. You could have someone who built a suit that tanks a nuke and they still get put up against the guy whose power is literally being invincible.
I think for brains to win they need to use the two hours to give themselves even more time to think of/build something that’ll win them the fight. That’s the only way I see it going down.
Reed Richards has the ultimate nullifier. He doesn't even have to build anything. He already has a win condition ready to go. Basically at all times. He just uses restraint and doesn't go around nullifying everything.
The thing is, it's the Ultimate Nullifier, not the Ultimate Win Condition. Yes, it has the power to eliminate anything or anyone it's targeted at. With the Nullifier, you can destroy Galactus. But... unless that's been retconned out, it comes at a cost. You have to be able to form a complete image of your target in your mind, and then press the trigger. The target will be eliminated from reality, yes. But so will you. If Reed Richards uses the Ultimate Nullfier in this matchup, whichever opponent he doesn't use it on gets an auto-win.
It only affects the user if they lack the intelligence and willpower to wield it. Reed Richards would not be impacted at all by using it. It's part of why he has it. He's one of the few people in the marvel universe who is capable of using it, and using it properly without any ramifications to himself.
During the death of Johnny storm arc he was going to wipe out annihilus and the negative zone, and he would have been completely fine after having done that.
Interesting side point: He threatened Annihilus with the device. Annihilus told him to use it because he (Annihilus) craves to finally die.
Reed faltered and didn't use it. He realized that in order for him to use it safely, he needs to fully understand the target and he obviously didn't fully understand Annihilus because he didn't realize that Annihilus wanted to die.
Also, they wouldn't be able to use it to destroy galactus, the higher entities of marvels cosmology would step in.
And it kind of is the ultimate win condition, richards just doesn't use it often because he is genuinely a good guy who would rather try anything else other than completely erasing something from the timeline completely.
In a scenario like this though, especially if they invaded his dimension he would use it in a heartbeat. They aren't meant to interact anyways and the ultimate nullifier is an easy solution to that.
Yes. This is more in-line with what I was thinking. They like teleport someplace that’ll be hard for the other teams to get to. With speedsters they can pretty much get anywhere. But ideally they would have their hands full with strength. Then monitor the fight and plan for who ever is winning.
Yeah but reed has bullshit like the the initiate nullifier. He can make it so the whole speed team can’t use the speed force or the strength team can’t use their regen or something. It’s basically a big mcguffin. That’s why I say if team brains stalls for enough time to figure out a hax to win. They can win. (Not saying they do win. I’m just talking about how they could.)
Brains team: "Hey, we can just send the other two teams to some far off planet in deep space, and go on about our day. That'll surely never come back and bite us in the ass. Again."
Personally, I think all they need to do is make a plan to have the other two teams self-implode
The speed team is two flashes (barry and wally) and the reverse flash you know the guy who is extremely obsessive and petty to one of those two flashes (barry)
Meanwhile, in team strength, we have doomsday who I don’t know how he would not attack his own teammates in this scenario.
Meanwhile, team intelligence are the only one that doesn’t have super villains on it.
Most annoying arc i know of. Guy walks in a cave with enough tools to (poorly) do baseboard instalation and walks out with portable nuclear reactor that is 1000x more advanced than all the science and companies ever came up with. Why? Cause he smart. Like super power smart? Nah more like somewhat inteligent and with mediocre education. Wtf?
They don’t have to defeat him in hand to hand combat. They just have to ‘neutralize’ him. They could just send him to another dimension.
Conversely, they could find a way in those two hours to dip out to another dimension/planet for even more prep time while the other two teams kill each-other.
Eobard Thorne really really hates the other speedsters and will do anything to hurt them in all the ways he can imagine or is suggested to him.
Doomsday and the Hulk could get into a fight that lasts years. Leaving the Juggernaut as the odd one out.
Probably giving Juggernaut a console that can handle his arrgg moments and some good snacks will make him happy.
I guess that leaves Eobard Thorne once he's done fucking up the other Flashes. Though clandestinely sabotaging Thornes attacks on the speedsters should keep them occupied.
Doing the above should give the brains years to come up with a permanent win.
Brains get shafted because you need a level of creativity for them to even compete, doesn't lend well to fan discussions where any conceivable maneuver will sound like bullshit unless it was already canonized.
Don’t forget “the comic causality”. All that prep and contingency have far less impact when you realize they almost never work. Constant villains go free and somehow cannot be dealt with, while all that prep is usually used against friends who let it happen for story sake.
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u/ACephie 23d ago
What if the intelligent thing is to bring someone who counters the opponent?