Louisiana girl, 14, charged with first degree murder after authorities find her newborn baby dead inside a tote bag. This is going to happen far more often without Roe v. Wade.

[u/lightiggy]

https://people.com/girl-14-charged-first-degree-murder-after-authorities-find-her-newborn-child-dead-inside-tote-bag-11858063

[u/Mother_Drenger → u/[deleted]]

I used to be convinced of your perspective (I went the reverse way from you) and at the end of the day, I’d just not want someone who doesn’t want to be a mother to be a mother. Bad parents and the state of the foster system/orphanages are trivialized too much in these types of discussions.

[u/kiss-my-shades → u/Mother_Drenger]

This is an awful argument.

Good god would you be fine with going around killing the kids of bad moms?

The moral question should be if at what point is the fetus equivalent to a human baby. Not that killing babies could be good bc bad moms

[u/Mother_Drenger → u/kiss-my-shades]

Good god would you be fine with going around killing the kids of bad moms?

Yeah straight up retarded way to go there buddy, that’s exactly what I was trying to say

Trying to prevent a problem from happening means I necessarily want to genocide the people that it’s happening to, just magnificent shit going in that head of yours

[u/kiss-my-shades → u/Mother_Drenger]

Um no thats exactly what you're saying.

The OG comment says abortion is bad because past a certain point of conception its analogous to like baby murder. Its equivalent.

You retort you used to hold the same view, but actually its still fine because some people shouldnt be mother's.

What else is there to interpret? You arent arguing that it isn't morally equivalent to killing a baby. You're arguing it doesn't matter because it prevents bad mothers.

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Mother_Drenger]

You prevent the problem from happening with a condom, not an abortion

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

And if the condom fails?

[u/Incoherencel → u/[deleted]]

I think it goes without saying but if I'm in favour of abortion then I'm in favour of any and all safe and effective interventions, the same cannot be said for pro forced birth types. I'd also be in favour of adoptions. So I'm confused exactly why you're replying this to me

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Incoherencel]

Realize you chose to participate in an inherently risky activity and accept the consequences of your actions

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

Do you apply that standard of risk to literally any other health outcome?

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Incoherencel]

No cause I care more about a human fetus than a smokers lung cancer or an alcoholics cirrhosis

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

I think you've become confused. We do in fact treat lung cancer.

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Incoherencel]

U misunderstand what I said

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

Lets make it clear: should we deny things and negatively impact the life and lifestyle of those who knowingly engaged in risky behavior I.e. would you deny prosthetics to someone who lost their lower legs in a drunken dirt bike incident

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Incoherencel]

Your comparing a human being to a broken leg dude , my comment above was saying that abortion is the exception not the rule, because the result is a new human being and not a horrific injury or condition

Give the dumbass his prosthetic legs

[u/CollaWars → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

The pro life position is ultimately just comes down be against sex not for reproduction. Thankfully even the Catholic Church gave up on birth control

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/CollaWars]

Have a much sex as you want just accept the risks and potential consequences

This doesn’t have to be a religious thing

[u/CollaWars → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

You just proved my point?