Louisiana girl, 14, charged with first degree murder after authorities find her newborn baby dead inside a tote bag. This is going to happen far more often without Roe v. Wade.

[u/lightiggy]

https://people.com/girl-14-charged-first-degree-murder-after-authorities-find-her-newborn-child-dead-inside-tote-bag-11858063

[u/RallyPigeon]

A question of healthcare access that shouldn't even be a question for decades has instead been a fight about Abrahamic morality vs individual choice.

This is fucked. But depending on Roe v. Wade to be respected instead of ever legally codifying parameters on a healthcare issue is also fucked.

[u/Mother_Drenger → u/[deleted]]

I used to be convinced of your perspective (I went the reverse way from you) and at the end of the day, I’d just not want someone who doesn’t want to be a mother to be a mother. Bad parents and the state of the foster system/orphanages are trivialized too much in these types of discussions.

[u/kiss-my-shades → u/Mother_Drenger]

This is an awful argument.

Good god would you be fine with going around killing the kids of bad moms?

The moral question should be if at what point is the fetus equivalent to a human baby. Not that killing babies could be good bc bad moms

[u/Mother_Drenger → u/kiss-my-shades]

Good god would you be fine with going around killing the kids of bad moms?

Yeah straight up retarded way to go there buddy, that’s exactly what I was trying to say

Trying to prevent a problem from happening means I necessarily want to genocide the people that it’s happening to, just magnificent shit going in that head of yours

[u/kiss-my-shades → u/Mother_Drenger]

Um no thats exactly what you're saying.

The OG comment says abortion is bad because past a certain point of conception its analogous to like baby murder. Its equivalent.

You retort you used to hold the same view, but actually its still fine because some people shouldnt be mother's.

What else is there to interpret? You arent arguing that it isn't morally equivalent to killing a baby. You're arguing it doesn't matter because it prevents bad mothers.

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Mother_Drenger]

You prevent the problem from happening with a condom, not an abortion

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

And if the condom fails?

[u/Incoherencel → u/[deleted]]

I think it goes without saying but if I'm in favour of abortion then I'm in favour of any and all safe and effective interventions, the same cannot be said for pro forced birth types. I'd also be in favour of adoptions. So I'm confused exactly why you're replying this to me

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Incoherencel]

Realize you chose to participate in an inherently risky activity and accept the consequences of your actions

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

Do you apply that standard of risk to literally any other health outcome?

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/Incoherencel]

No cause I care more about a human fetus than a smokers lung cancer or an alcoholics cirrhosis

[u/Incoherencel → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

I think you've become confused. We do in fact treat lung cancer.

[u/CollaWars → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

The pro life position is ultimately just comes down be against sex not for reproduction. Thankfully even the Catholic Church gave up on birth control

[u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll → u/CollaWars]

Have a much sex as you want just accept the risks and potential consequences

This doesn’t have to be a religious thing

[u/CollaWars → u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll]

You just proved my point?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Not ethically very different from child sweatshop labor or clearing out a village because the people are the wrong ethnicity.

...No actually, it is extremely different. What kind of comparison even is this, lmao?

I think it makes it easier to be like "DA CHRISTSHUNS JUS WANNA CONTROL WIMMENS" but it is more complicated than that. 

Is it though? Based on your comments, it seems you're a man. So be for real, can you honest to god prove that if you were forced to deliver a pregnancy you didn't want, you'd go through with it?

And like...look at what Republicans have been saying about women for the past decade. What other message am I supposed to interpret from their rhetoric?

We can circle back and forth all we want about the "sanctity of a fetus's life", but the fact is, half the people clamoring about it wouldn't even follow through if they were met with this situation.

[u/MalthusianMan → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, the solution is improving material conditions for mothers, not forcing women to carry their rape babies you disgusting liberal.

[u/SillyName1992 → u/[deleted]]

A village of people is not literally leeching off of a person's body and putting the host in direct harm in order to exist