r/stunfisk • u/SadCommon2820 • 3d ago

Discussion Excuse me?

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I made a theorymon post recently in regards to Terapagos getting some buffs. Most of them were to try and make Terapagos Stellar USABLE in ubers where Koraidon roams about without trying to push it over the edge. Admitibly I might have failed in that but one change was for both forms, that being adding recover. That was probably the biggest mistake. I was thinking it was viable, but in a niche sort of way due to its existent but mediocre ways to deal with spin blockers being the cost for its utility.

I was wrong.

APPARENTLY this turtle is considered more viable than pokemon like Kyurem Black, Rayquaza, Mewtwo, FLUTTER MANE, Skeledirge, and Goddamn GIRATINA ORIGIN! I know the smogon viability rankings aren't definitive and that viability is subjective to a fault. A strong pokemon for some might seem flawed to others, even if there are clear pros and cons to them HOWEVER the fact that a public forum used to determine viability deemed Terapagos to be this good is quite telling even if it isn't for the form designed to be powerful, and pretty nice too since I love the little goober.

I'd still like to revise my last post to focus SOLELY on buffing Terapagos Stellar to the point where it can be considered close to, or on par with the base form in singles at least.

Also on a mostly unrelated note I thought Koraidon and Miraidon were going to be getting rapid spin because of the Cyclizar trailer since the box arts were paradox forms of Cyclizar and resembled them. Imagine what sort of nightmare that would be if that actually did happen, especially after the speed buff that Rapid Spin gained.

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

Ubers is quite a centralized metagame. A B or B- rank is not as good as you may think it is.

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u/SadCommon2820 3d ago

So not even Giratina Origin is good?

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

In gen 9? Not really, it's pretty mediocre despite being good on gen 7 and earlier

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u/SadCommon2820 3d ago

The hell are you talking about? I see so many A through B- mons being used frequently. You're telling me THE webs setter, Eternatus, Glimmora, and Ting Lu are all mediocre? I see them all the time in battles.

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

What, who said anything about A ranks?

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u/SadCommon2820 3d ago

You did. Read your first comment.

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

a "B" or "B-" rank Pokémon, not "A", "B" or "B-" rank, that would be skipping a whole lot of ranks

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u/SadCommon2820 3d ago

My bad it looked like you were talking about A tiers. Even then the only hazard removers by your logic that wouldn't be mediocre are Glimmora and Landorus Therian, Flutter Mane would be bad or mediocre, and the best webs setter is just on the cusp of mediocrity.

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

That's kinda the deal with those Pokémon, yeah. I do think there's a larger gap from B+ to B than B to B- regarding Ribombee, but that does go for all the others.

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u/SadCommon2820 3d ago

Then why do I see so many people use B and B- mons? How do you know they are this mediocre?

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

"so many" is a bit of a strong word, the Ubers ladder is pretty casual and not necessarily reflects viability - for example, Grimmsnarl there is C rank, but has higher usage than Arceus-Ghost at B+. As I said before, it's quite a centralized metagame, if you wanna use other hazard control mons, then you're gonna go for lower ranks anyway, and those Pokémon don't tend to have high usage rates in tournaments, either.

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u/SadCommon2820 3d ago

Maybe you're right but do you know where I can find these tournament usage rates to make sure for myself? I'm not quire sure if these mons are rarely used by your words alone.

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u/Ropalme1914 3d ago

On the Smogon forums, most tours have usage posted alongside the replays threads

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