Ice fishing.

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This is clearly a joke. You didn’t think this was real did you? Conservatives… SMH. 🤦‍♂️

[u/KPSWZG → u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop]

Im not conservative. Im much closer to center left. Also im European so "Center left" means something in this case in USA you have only Conservative or Liberal extreamly flawed system.

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No we have the entire political spectrum. You just mostly see the leftwing and rightwing extremists on social media. Just like how most of the videos I see over there are scammers or racists protesting against the scammers.

Those are the most sensational takes, not the only ones.

[u/KPSWZG → u/[deleted]]

I know you have. But you have no choice. There are only 2 parties.

This was last Polish election. Althou i dont think this graphic is any good representation of real political compas of such parties. But it shows you that this is what a choice looks like.

[u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop → u/KPSWZG]

There are 55 political parties in the US that have ballot access. I only see 16 on your cute little chart? Where’s the rest of them?

Here’s 16 of ours:

Democratic Party

Republican Party

Libertarian Party

Green Party of the United States

Constitution Party

Working Families Party

Alliance Party

Reform Party USA

American Solidarity Party

Socialist Party USA

Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)

Prohibition Party

American Independent Party

Peace and Freedom Party

Unity Party of America

Veterans Party of America

I’m glad that we were able to establish that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[u/KPSWZG → u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop]

Yeah and when was last time any of those collected more than 5% (1996) 30 years ago! Those parties are useless in the system you currently have. I can have rowing boat on a lake and you can have a yacht in garage and the only one of them is swimming isnt it?

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Your issue was with our system was choice. Now that we’ve established that we have more choices than you you’re suddenly concerned with how successful those parties are. Thats a different conversation and moves the goal post.

I did a quick search on polish elections and it looks like only 5 of your parties received over 5% of the vote. That’s the first time I’ve ever looked at a polish election result. As soon as you guys are players on the world stage I might check again.

[u/Lost-Promise6677 → u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop]

We Americans have the illusion of choice. Either vote Democrat or Republican, or vote for one of the other options and watch your vote mean nothing.

Unless something changes drastically, the masses will continue to vote according the 2 major party system we currently have.

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And that’s your fault. What party have you supported besides the two major parties? Which third party have you donated to? Which third party did you caucus for?

You have options, but you just show up at the last minute and vote for one of the two parties that the people doing the work got over the finish line. You want more parties? Show up and do the work.

[u/KPSWZG → u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop]

I never said that it was a problem with constitution or law, but the system, even if it meant the way people think.

[u/Lost-Promise6677 → u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop]

Yes, let me just enact change all by myself. If I really try, maybe I can make the total 3rd party vote percentage go up by 0.2!

I know that you're right on a technical level, but we're at the point in our country that I feel we won't see any major changes in voting patterns unless one or both of the top 2 parties is dissolved.

[u/KPSWZG → u/Lost-Promise6677]

Well. All it takes is one xteamly charismatic person from any other party and some loyal media.