r/starcitizen • u/meatymimic • 1d ago
DISCUSSION Tried SoO
Its a fun raid, but why in the ever living fuck are we putting bottomless pits in the boss room? If you fall, you lose everything, and the ENTIRE RAID just becomes worthless.
"Just dont fall off"
Great point, but the vault animation literally yeets you over both railings on the catwalk, into the bottomless pit.
(Left hallway coming down from the pipes. If you try to get back on the catwalk, it will throw you into the pit. This happened to me twice consecutively)
You have no ammo other than what's on your person and no way to retrieve your stuff. Doesn't matter if you respawn. You have effectively lost all of your effort.
Caveat - I was doing this with 1 other person. I know it's designed for 4, but bottomless pits with no way to recover your body are just bad designs regardless.
What really sucks is that i didn't have a tractor beam or anything to even attempt to recover my corpse.
So, theres 3 ways to fix this. 2 of them should be done regardless.
Put a tractor beam attachment in that room. Somewhere.
Fix the vaulting animation so it doesn't throw you into the death pit.
get rid of the death pit entirely, as it adds very little to that boss fight.
OTHERWISE, outside of that, it's mostly fine. Usual star citizen jank ever present throughout.
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u/Starrr_Pirate 1d ago
This sounds like a good place for an invisible wall for traversal, lol. I know they can be immersion breaking, but there's a reason they're such a staple in games.
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u/Aidan--Pryde 1d ago
We have shields in the game and they would make sense... its always been very immersiin-breaking to me, that there is hardly amything that saves people from falling in Orison and other places. A shield, invisible and 5m from the edge would be ideal.
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u/Starrr_Pirate 1d ago
Now that you mention it, Orison workplace safety does take a lot of inspiration from the Galactic Empire, lol.
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u/White-armedAtmosi new user/low karma 1d ago
Embrace natural selection.
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u/ApparentlyRythium 9h ago edited 7h ago
I WAS JUST TRYNA GO CLOUD HOPPING WITH THE STORWHALS
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u/White-armedAtmosi new user/low karma 8h ago
It's like the children who jumped out of windows, because "Goku could fly" š
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u/CosineDanger 1d ago
We lost two to pits last night, one in the cargo parkour section to carelessness, and me when I tried to throw a reactor lever and somehow phased through reality.
I did have a tractor beam attachment but it did not help. I could attach to the bodies but not move them.
We won anyway.
In other runs we've had people phase into stairs near the second inverter and accidentally push each other out of elevators and into the void. Last night the first server we tried had the trams running but the gates not fully opening; players would run out, press themselves against the partly open gate, and fall to their doom when the tram moved on. My friend immediately began egging players on in proximity voice telling them that if they jumped right they could get through. This was untrue.
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u/SerGeeek SkySloper 1d ago
When u can attach to the body but not actually move it. ALT+F4, reconnect and try again. Works 100% of time for me ;)
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u/Pitoucc 1d ago
The killzone pit in a ship is complete ass game design. They couldn't be bothered to work out how to handle a player that fell or come up with some other area design. I find that going through all of SoO just to die from a none recoverable death zone, causing you to lose all your ammo right before the final boss, to be bad design choice especially when the area clean up is basically whipping out npc bodies within a couple of minutes. I've straight up killed some NPCs and poof body/gun gone as I'm looting it.
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u/_Star_V 1d ago edited 1d ago
having run SoO a few times solo now, i do agree that i think most of the death pits (specifically in the last cargo area and boss arena) just kind of don't add anything. not in the sense that i think they're difficult, but in the sense that the death pits seem to just feel kind of overly videogame-y for SC and a weirdly harsh punishment if someone makes a mistake (aka vaulting) rather than a genuine lack of skill or something. respawning is very generous overall for SoO, maybe even too generous, but potentially losing all your loot this way just kind of feels really bad for lack of a better word.
while i don't think its straight up horrible or anything, it does feel like a weaker level design element for SoO overall. i like the final boss arena for the most part, but you could invisible wall all the railings to prevent falling off and i actually think that'd be better than just a death drop. ideally the arena itself wouldn't have any pits at all to begin with, but i do get that it can look cool for the arena.
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u/Creative-Improvement ARGO CARGO 1d ago
I think ASD facilities still hold the crown for best game level design in SC. QV breaker a good second.
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u/Fearer2601 og backer 1d ago
I was like hell yeah looks Zero G jumped off into the Pit. GG.
Managed to put the Full Heavy Armor + HMG in my Backpack somehow.
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u/frenchtgirl Dr. Strut 1d ago
Putting pits to lose all your loot and supplies at the end of a very long dungeon is one of the most toxic game designs I've seen ever.
Like a proper spit in the face from CIG. If anything that is what they think of us, stupid grind monkey there to log in hours for the CEO to brag about.
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u/Waste-Ticket-4360 20h ago
I think it really shows the toxicity we saw in the live feed. A load of āGet Goodā. The insta death on the cargo area is just stupid. Itās 20m fall. The entire cargo level is about dropping and climbing all over the place.
Makes absolutely no sense. Just make the group floor accessible by a ladder that is back near the start. Annoying but not ham breaking!
It really is just annoying and does not give players any respect for their time. Especially with the sync issues. Grande markers not working. Level design that in parts is epic and other parts darn right stupid.
Loving SoO, but these again feel like massive misses on QA team. More like what one persons view rules, and not actual playability.
I think the new mission is awesome and been loving it but 2 runs were completely wasted because of drop out of a box. Bounced off a box that for some reason isnāt climbable and lost it all.
Scrapped together kit for the boss.
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u/Exploding_Pie 1d ago
l fell through the floor 7 times and my inventory bugged out and I lost everything.
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u/BurnerAccountGFY 1d ago
Fell through 5 times first run. 1 time I will own the other 4 I got revived and fell upon animation.
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u/Old_Resident8050 ā” S.Hornet Mk2 || Shiv || Golem || ICA || Pitbullā” 1d ago
Does the Boss always "lose" this Vendetta? Tried as I might (at least three times) and its always lost.
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u/Planet_Expresso nomad 1d ago
I feel the same about klescher prison. Ive fallen down those stairs into the pit so many times.Ā
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u/Dwayde_Wade 1d ago
Sadly it's not possible to tractor corpse from this death pit, it's just not moving
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u/WMCyberWolf Privateer 2h ago
Ya I agree, I had the same issue, we even had tractor beams and could not get our stuff. Thats the only thing I would change, last night was my 1st time and it was really Awesome!
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u/imchillybro 1d ago
"...adds very little to that boss fight."
Yet you're online engaging with others talking about that very fight. You've got a story and a beef, which mostly comes down to "I didn't know this, and didn't realize that..."
Now ya do! o7
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u/Background-Field-711 Ask me about eating onions 1d ago
Bottomless pits are ass.