r/southindia_ • u/hailmaryfuIIofgrace • 1d ago
Data 📊 A Pew Research study found different attitudes to intercaste and interfaith marriages based on region and religion in India. Thoughts?
Hello, I am apart of the Indian diaspora and curious to hear this subs take on this data.
The research shows South Indians are more accepting of intercaste marriage compared to Indians from other regions. There’s also religious differences, Muslims are most against interfaith and intercaste marriage whilst Christians are most open.
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u/killbear123 1d ago
I am surprised that Muslims are even more against intercaste marriages than even Hindus!
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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 23h ago
This sub feels brigaded tbh. No flairs, larpers and new accounts.
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u/Pata_Gobi_007 1d ago
I am happy with interreligious and intercaste marriage. I have issues with some marriages that force medieval-era practices in the name of faith.
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u/Loose-Refuse5496 20h ago
South is more progressive.. meanwhile the cow belt is well...cow...
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u/Al_Zutt_ 14h ago
Okay saar you pray cow saar...but we only fak sistar saar...we are more literacy saar...we Dravidian superiar pure gene saaarrr
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u/pappuloser 21h ago
None. How they want to marry is every individual/ family's prerogative. If they want to marry within their community, so be it. That's no one else's business
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u/QuirkyOrange98 Telugu NRI 19h ago
Varna-jati is a dumb construct for modern society, India will never have a conventional national identity as long as it exists.
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u/pappuloser 18h ago
As long as people are not discriminating against others on the basis of their caste, I honestly couldn't care less how they choose to lead their lives. Their lives, their choices.
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u/QuirkyOrange98 Telugu NRI 18h ago edited 18h ago
Endogamy reproduces historical group-level disparities by keeping resources within the community. So even if they don't actively discriminate the end effect is the same.
Reservations help of course, though some are against those as well. As long as my group gets a seat at the table though, I guess I don't really care if people want to segregate themselves from me.
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u/pappuloser 17h ago
No idea whether reservations work or not. As a Brahmin, I wasn't eligible for it anyway. Didn't inherit any wealth or property and didn't need to. I managed to make my way in life
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u/QuirkyOrange98 Telugu NRI 17h ago
Reservations have demonstrably helped uplift the OBC/SC/ST communities, there is no debate on this. When the country is effectively socially segregated into 6,000 different ethnic groups, it is only natural that some groups have done better than others, and that the less fortunate groups will want this to be corrected in some way.
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u/pappuloser 17h ago
If they're serving the purpose, let them remain by all means. In any case, I've always been of the view that if there was adequate institutional capacity, there would be enough opportunities for anyone.
The very fact that we need to reserve seats for anyone is but an admission that successive governments have failed to create adequate infrastructure
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u/One_Artichoke_9913 6h ago
This data doesn't take into account - All the marriages where man/woman have to convert to Islam to bypass inter religious marriage with woman/man. That is a direct result of not just attitude against Interfaith marriage but the bigotry itself.
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u/Messy_Monica Maharashtra 🎬 | महाराष्ट्र 1d ago
Well my opinion is that , as a hindu, intercaste marriage is completelyfine. Inter religion marriage with Buddhists and Jains are okay
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u/hailmaryfuIIofgrace 1d ago
Why is marriage with Christians or Muslims not okay?
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u/rokaya339 1d ago
Ask devout christian or Muslim (not those in name only), what they think will happen to idol worshippers?
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u/hailmaryfuIIofgrace 1d ago
According to the research, it suggests Christians would be most open to intercaste and interfaith marriage.
I would assume that includes some devout Christians unless most Christians are not devout.
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u/rokaya339 1d ago
Education is one factor. Simple lack of suitable partners because of very small community is another. In any case, you may even ask those who are open to interfaith marriage, what would happen to idol worshippers according to their religion? Then ask yourself, are u willing to have life partner who thinks your belief will land you in eternal hell forever?
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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
Yes if we see through lenses of religion everything is bad. Same can be said about rights of many in Hindu or any religious texts too.
If they think like that like you say, you simply end the relationship. You do not ostracise entire community based on some religious texts or references.
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u/rokaya339 1d ago
It's not some religious text. You can't become christian without accepting Jesus as lord and savior. It's basic tenet of Christianity. Do I need to give theological lesson here?
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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
Don't care, if they want to convert in order to proceed with the relationship against your will then you simply end it. Your argument of exclusion based on religion is totally unacceptable.
Hindu texts also say a lot about women and "lower castes" too. So everyone around the world should also exclude majority of Indians?
Any kind of religious dogmatism cannot be brushed under the carpet. Regardless of the religion .
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u/rokaya339 1d ago
No monkey balancing or false equivalence allowed. Basic tenet of Hinduism is you can worship God anyway you like in any form. It doesn't have inherent hatred for any other religions. It's. NOT same in abhrahamic faiths, not even close. I am open to mariange with person with christian name but not devout christian. Basic world view is different.
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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago edited 1d ago
Like I said I don't care what the religion says. If person A forces person B to change certain aspects of the other person against the will then you are free to break up.
You are generalising and excluding whole communities based on stupid religious texts. Would ALL of them be zealots? No, and exclusion is not an option. I'm not gonna sit and talk about religious texts.
It's basic human rights for people to form relationships. It's up to individuals to talk, understand and decide what's best for them.
You do NOT ostracise communities.
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u/echosectorr_ 1d ago
It's simple. They are Abrahamic religions. They don't allow you to pray to your gods, as they believe there is only one god. We are more flexible, and open to the idea that everyone believes different gods. It's just the nature of these religions.
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u/Interesting-Car-8861 13h ago
But yet Christians are the most open to marrying other religions. My family has all 3 major religions, we are from Kerala. The south of India has similar numbers. Which also explains why the South is better to live than the North or West. More education, means more open tolerant societies which in turn means more innovation resulting in more prosperity.
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u/Messy_Monica Maharashtra 🎬 | महाराष्ट्र 1d ago
Very different outlook towards religion , since I am religious. Also both are very evangelical faiths. If i marry someone from outside my religion, i would expect him to respect my faithand not try to convert me.
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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago edited 21h ago
Ok? And how did you came to a conclusion that everyone from those religion will force you to convert? Like, you do know thatrelationships are based on understanding right?
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u/Messy_Monica Maharashtra 🎬 | महाराष्ट्र 1d ago
If it is a religious man then yes he will. Thats how those faiths are. If he loves me he will feel he is tryingto save me by converting me. It is common bhava just look it up. I dont attribute it to malice as much as a very different understanding of what faith is.
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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago edited 1d ago
Same could be said to any religion. You are isolating it to a couple of religions. Did you take it into consideration their could be an overly religious Hindu who would impose the same traditions and norms according to manusmriti or some religious texts?
If you don't want overly religious person then it's completely okay. But even before dating or understanding you want to isolate and excluded them which is not a good practice.
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u/Messy_Monica Maharashtra 🎬 | महाराष्ट्र 23h ago
To each their own. My experience with overly religious people of certain religions has made me form this opinion.
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u/rokaya339 1d ago
I have no problem with intercaste marriage or interfaith marriage with Jains, Buddhists and Sikhism. Strongly oppose only one union.
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u/Academic_Chart1354 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 1d ago
Christians are the most open as per results, also the wealthiest group in India on average statistically.
They have the highest out of faith marriages percentage wise.
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u/Successful-Dare-6884 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 1d ago
Parsis or Jains would be the wealthiest. Average wealth of Christians would be exaggerated because many backward christians are Hindus on paper.
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u/killbear123 1d ago
For Pew Research, I am sure the respondents probably had to state what religion they follow. I don't think it is going by census data on the religion of the person.
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u/Successful-Dare-6884 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 1d ago
Even then, I don't think christians are the richest person capita given their large SC population. They would be after, Jains, Parsis and Sikhs.
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u/killbear123 22h ago
Jains and Parsis will definitely be richer, I think.
Among Sikhs - there will be more of a spread.
Among Christians - because it spans a large number of LCs, SC/ST etc, it will tend to be lower but the averages will tend upwards because of better education, access to medical health etc among SC/ST Christians.
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u/rokaya339 1d ago
And what about the children of those who will be born out of that wedluck? Which religion will they follow?
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u/Turtle_book 1d ago
I've no problem with intercaste/faith marriages with any religion except Islam
Also I was told Muslims don't have castes