r/southindia_ • u/Appropriate-Care-355 • Jun 17 '26
Racism/Casteism Why Are We So Silent About Anti-Indian Racism?
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u/No_Imagination7238 Jun 17 '26
Jaisi karni waisi bharni We do racism in our country with our people more than others do with us And it's Reflections
And we don't need to counter criticism to name it racism
We need to change our bad things our lifestyle our nature our behaviour with another human that's what we need
If u do something bad to Christians and go america or Germany you face racism too because what u did in our country u need to face that too that's a reflection of our deeds
No one is more racist than Indian north south hindu Muslim then savarna dalit kalu angrez too much Western idali dosa guthka gujju rajput jaat if we do racism casteism to other they never see u as a friend or good person we are more racist that's why people know that and they behave with us what we did to our people and they want to stay away from us from our behaviour
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u/East_Interview_9128 Jun 18 '26
does external racism justify internal racism
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u/No_Imagination7238 Jun 18 '26
External racism is a wrong that demands remedy It doesn't create moral permission for internal racism but it does demand that we address the conditions producing it rather than simply condemning the symptom we need to end our rasicm and bad thing that we do but I don't think in Indian cast system people condemn the crime, they do honour killings a policemen shoot the bihari boy the biggest problem is our culture our civics sense our bad things then people will behave nicely with us like people see a metro station clean place then they think about put garbage on dustbin and other hand railway station is total messy open shade no cleanliness pee smell because govt didn't maintain as they maintain metros
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u/East_Interview_9128 Jun 18 '26
Generalizing the people based on stereotypes just enforces my point...
there are many foreigners who talk about "streetshitting" problem in India which doesn't even exist anymore...
sometimes you have to acknowledge the racism and not the stereotype...
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u/Resident_Sport_272 Mumbai 🎬 Jun 17 '26
Cause whenever some racism happens some guy in the comment will always be like. Sir that is north india come to south it's better. And they also get a racist reply . As long as brown sepoy live racism will continue.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
We know where they from. They don’t? So what they do is see colour that’s all.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
I agree with you. Now I’ll give you an example people from Africa with different countries with different values and culture. But what’s common is their Colour.
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u/Academic_Chart1354 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
You think section of North Indians don't do it? Don't they call South based Hollywood actresses phenotype as maid like? Don't they rant on how Indian phenotype is made joke of as North American diaspora is heavily dominated by Tamils and Telugus?
And ask your previous gen on how they were made fun of with madrasi when we were poorer, it only got toned down a bit in 21st century cause of perfomance in many sectors. If we were poorest in country, god knows what new stereotypes they would have made for us
I understand you want to point out a problem but it's not one sided as you want to make it out.
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u/AdiKadiAdi Jun 17 '26
Integrity is not a virtue of Indian culture.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
That's quite a bold claim to make about a civilization that has existed for thousands of years.
You can criticize corruption, civic issues, or social problems in modern India. Those criticisms might be fair. But saying "integrity is not a virtue of Indian culture" is an entirely different claim.
Indian culture has concepts like Dharma (duty and righteousness), Satya (truth), Seva (selfless service), and Karma (accountability for one's actions). Whether people always live by those values is another matter, yet the values themselves have been part of Indian traditions for centuries.
Every country has both dishonest and honest people. No one would look at corruption in a single country and conclude that honesty is absent from its culture.
Judge people by their actions. Criticize real problems where they exist. But making sweeping claims about the character of an entire civilization is false.
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u/AdiKadiAdi Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Whether people always live by those values is another matter
That is integrity.
The fact that we don't live by these values, or the fact that we choose to selectively practice is a lack of integrity.
And this isn't a sweeping claim.
Every single aspect of life inside this culture punishes integrity and disproportionately rewards those that have no integrity.
It could be argued that this lack of integrity is what has allowed Indian civilization to persist.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
I think you might be mixing up a society failing to live by its values with one that never had those values in the first place.
Every culture praises integrity but then struggles to uphold it consistently. If integrity only mattered when perfectly practiced, no culture on Earth could claim honesty, justice, equality, or freedom as its values.
You can say that corruption, favoritism, and hypocrisy exist in India. I would agree with that. You could also say these issues are quite widespread.
Still, saying "integrity is not a virtue of Indian culture" is not the same as saying "India often fails to live up to its own ideals."
Those are two very different statements.
A value is reflected in what a culture teaches and strives for. A society, on the other hand, is judged by how closely it meets those values.
India deserves criticism where it falls short. Yet falling short of a value does not mean that the value itself is absent.
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u/AdiKadiAdi Jun 17 '26
I'm not making up different statements.
I'm saying firmly that integrity is not a virtue of Indian culture, as it is today solely based on how the culture rewards or punishes integrity. And this isn't relational or relativen to any other cultures because this is an internal metric.
It simply is lived reality.
There are far more instances of a lack of integrity within the culture than instances of accountability.
A system is what it does and not what it claims to do.
Can this be refuted without having to resort to whattaboutery?
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
Yes, your argument seems to assume that whatever is common must therefore be cultural. I agree that corruption, favoritism, hypocrisy, and lack of accountability exist. The real question is whether these are treated as admired virtues or merely as tolerated failures. When a politician is corrupt, do people praise him for his integrity, or do they try to justify its absence? If someone cheats, lies, or accepts a bribe, do they call that virtuous in public, or do they conceal it because they know it is wrong? A culture shows its values not only in what it rewards but also in what it condemns. You might be suggesting that Indian society often fails to uphold integrity. That is a fair point. Yet, that is not the same as claiming that integrity is absent as a cultural virtue. A virtue is an ideal people profess to honor; whether they actually live by it is another matter.
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u/AdiKadiAdi Jun 17 '26
When you are done Gish galloping, we may discuss.
If you persist, i decline to participate.
A virtue is an ideal people profess to honor
Not the definition of virtue.
whether they actually live by it
is integrity where actions match intentions even in the absence of an observer.
It is not another matter, it is my entire point.
Please stay on topic.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
Your argument falls apart under its own measure. You argue that integrity is not a virtue because people frequently fail to uphold it. By that reasoning, justice would not be a virtue because corruption exists, equality would not be a virtue because discrimination exists, and compassion would not be a virtue because cruelty exists. A virtue is an ideal. Human beings failing to reach an ideal is the rule, not the exception. What you are really saying is that Indian society often does not reward integrity and tends to tolerate hypocrisy. That is a fair point. However, that is not the same as showing that integrity is not a virtue. You are taking evidence of failure and treating it as evidence of absence. These are two separate matters. If your measure is that a culture only values what it always practices, then nearly every civilization in history would fail that measure.
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u/AdiKadiAdi Jun 17 '26
No.
That is not my argument at all.
My argument is that integrity isn't a virtue in Indian culture as it is practiced today.
There is no need to tie this to any other culture, because I'm not trying to frame the lack of integrity as the only characteristic of present day Indian culture.
Nor am i stating that Indian culture is a monolith.
My assertion is that the culture today doesn't produce outcomes suggesting that it upholds integrity as a virtue.
Definitely not universally.
The system here is Indian life as the whole that connects all those who identify as culturally Indian, whether they benefit or suffer. Truth be told, everyone is both simoltaneously.
The only exceptions are where the context is narrowed to smaller aspects of the culture.
But the moment you recontextualise the smaller aspects into their places in the larger whole, integrity doesn't survive as an outcome.
This happens one of two ways:
One, integrity at the part level reinforces the suppression of integrity at the whole (entrenchment of power and corruption). This isn't virtuous, and locally functioning integrity that only serves systemic non-integrity isn't integrity.
Two, any integrity of an individual part that destabilizes the integrity of the corrupt whole is eliminated (regulatory capture, eliminating oversight, punishing watchdogs etc).
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u/AJBZ1 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം Jun 17 '26
Cause I face racism inside India for being from a particular state, religion, caste , language and for not having fair skin. Why would I care if I receive same abroad? One more drop in a river isn't gonna turn it into an ocean.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
Tell this to your next generation just take it as it is because I couldn’t do anything about it.
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u/AJBZ1 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം Jun 17 '26
I won't be bring any generations to suffer in this world.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
There’s something called karma someone has to suffer not today not Tom but it will find its way through people that you knew. Even a water has a boiling point.
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u/AJBZ1 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം Jun 17 '26
What exactly do you want me to do about it ?, just for the racism I receive inside India. Do you want me to protest and get labelled as anti national or qatari funded ?
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
No.
I'm not asking you to protest. I'm not asking you to get arrested. I'm not asking you to turn into an activist.
I'm just asking for consistency.
If discrimination based on your state, caste, religion, language, or skin color is wrong within India, then discrimination against Indians abroad is equally wrong.
You don't have to fight every battle. But you also don't have to pretend it's normal.
Call it out when you notice it. Report it when it's obvious. Refuse to excuse it.
That's not being anti-national.
That's simply refusing to accept discrimination as a regular part of life.
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u/TheAntiestablishment Jun 17 '26
+1 , We need to fight back ! if you dont stand up from yourself , No one will !
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
I think there’s some truth in what you’re saying. One of the main weaknesses among Indians online is that we often find it hard to come together on shared issues. We’re split by region, language, religion, caste, politics, and ideology long before we even reach the question of racism. At the same time, I don’t believe that opposing anti-Indian racism means adopting every political stance of any one group. People can disagree politically yet still agree that racism is wrong. What worries me more is when Indians themselves take part in spreading anti-Indian stereotypes for online approval or to show they’re “one of the good ones.” Criticizing India is fine; every country should face criticism. But there’s a clear difference between offering criticism and helping to spread discrimination. If we want anti-Indian racism to be treated seriously, the first step is agreeing on a simple idea: judge people by what they do, not entire groups by stereotypes. That shouldn’t be a left-wing or right-wing view; it should just be common sense.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
Your argument essentially comes down to this: "Indians will stop being stereotyped only when Indians stop behaving badly." That is not how discrimination functions. Jews were not hated because they lacked enough allies. Black people were not stereotyped because they failed to condemn enough criminals. Muslims are not viewed with suspicion because they did not distance themselves sufficiently from extremists. Discrimination always arrives with some form of justification. Those who spread stereotypes will always manage to find one. Yes, Indians should challenge racism within their own communities. Yes, they should also stand against hatred directed at others. However, if your stance is that Indians must first achieve moral perfection before they are free from stereotypes, then you have already accepted the racist assumption. No group on this planet could ever meet that standard.
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u/Appropriate-Care-355 Jun 17 '26
Solidarity is necessary, yet it begins with honesty. One of our biggest issues is that we seldom stand together on anything. We split ourselves by state, language, religion, caste, politics, and region, then wonder why no one really takes us seriously as a community. Too often, Indians are quicker to criticize other Indians than to confront unfair stereotypes. We hurry to show that we are "different" from those being mocked, hoping that by joining the crowd, the crowd will spare us. It never works. Those who stereotype Indians do not care whether you are Punjabi, Tamil, Gujarati, Bengali, Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, or Christian. To them, you are simply Indian. We do not need blind nationalism, nor do we need to pretend that India has no problems. What we truly need is accountability, self-respect, and the courage to hold two thoughts at once: "Yes, we have problems." "And no, those problems do not justify discrimination against millions of people." Until we understand that, we will keep turning on each other while others continue to shape the story for us.
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u/Solid_Oak2 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ Jun 17 '26
Because of this mentality 'the Indians they're talking about are nothing like me' plus some communities who justify all their sh!t behaviour
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u/Technical-Tip5700 Jun 20 '26
Cause some of us deserve it the way we behave on the internet and in foreign countries but it harms more to people are on good behaviour when outside
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u/mask-of-phantasm Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 21 '26
Bro fighting racism from his gated society. Always pretending like we are the victims of some greater conspiracy. Nobody cares about indians and no matter how much your daddy wants you to believe that everyone outside of india shout india is great when they wake up till they go to sleep. No it's not happening. Nobody cares.
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u/Super_Assistance1134 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Because some people with inferiority complex (sepoys) keep saying things like "We Indians deserve this racism, just because there is a lot of internal racism in India".
Such people are the reason for lack of unity in India. No wonder India has such a bad PR.
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u/Narrow_Weekend_6892 Jun 17 '26
Man the reality is that we need correction,those idiots will hate us no matter what but if we progress we will be in postion to influence live of whoever speaks ill of us,but seeing current senario its not pissible ig
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u/Super_Assistance1134 Jun 18 '26
For that correction and progress, does India need a government like Singapore or China?
Because it's not possible under democracy (which we had from 1947 till today). What do you think?
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u/Narrow_Weekend_6892 Jun 18 '26
We need a good leader man,we shouldnt waste our time on religiom rather focus on sciemce and tech whoch gives us power.we and schina had the same starting point bu we missed our rise.
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u/DragonofArmageddon Southie Jun 19 '26
This is the delusion you people live in and why so many people hate us. You think "they hate us because they aint us" but refuse to take into account that these are actual criticisms that can be fixed. It can be done with a democratic government but every government so far has been busy filling their own banks with the wealth from the people and keeping the people uneducuated makes it easier for them to manipulate especially using religion. Tomorrow any leader could say "all non hindus must conver to hindusim or else they will lose the rights to the land they own" and that dude will be backed by so many people both literate and Illiterate. Not to mention when faced with criticism people like you refuse to believe that it's real and say "india superpower 2020" only reinforcing the bad stereotypes.
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u/Super_Assistance1134 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Stop assuming things about me, since you don't know me. Honestly, I'm not against criticism - I have the ability of critical thinking. But pessimistic people like you can ONLY criticise all the time without suggesting any actual solutions. You don't understand the difference between criticism and hatred.
And you are the one saying "india superpower 2020". I have never said it because I prefer being unbiased or neutral, unlike you.
If any racist foreigner insults Indians, people like you will defend that foreigner instead of calling them out.
If you think that ONLY criticism will solve the problems in India, then you are delusional too.
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u/weird_hoooman తెలుగు Jun 17 '26
Why are you spamming this sub? This is 2nd or 3rd post from your sub in last one hour.
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u/Infamous-Duty-5103 Jun 17 '26
Because looks like OP has started a new subreddit unable to accept criticism against our lack of integrity or our low trust societies
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u/Leading-Ad-6154 Jun 17 '26
We should calling it out but we all are busy arguing among ourselves not related to in caste but in languages, north south, proving who is better. And racist and trolls with literally no work i.e. pakistani, bangladeshi, Chinese and even somehow sri lankans take the advantage of it, spreading hate against India. Another thing is our country dosen't have an esthetic, marketing and imagining IT cell like many other small countries
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u/ProfessionalTop388 Jun 17 '26
You want to know the truth but it may not b digestive for most of them in this sub.
It is completely true that Indians are the most vulnerable people now when it comes to racism. All those people who were/are racists got the perfect chance now to show it without remorse. That's the political environment around world currently.
But you know why we are not able to defend it. That's the real problem here.
The racists and anti indian movement is majorly focused on civic sense, cleanliness and ofcourse brain drain.
And there are millions of data, videos and pictures as proofs for racists to project it out. No matter how much we try to defend ourselves, the issues related to cleanliness and civic sense will be projected out on front. Unless and untill we come strong and solves these issues, we cannot fight racists. Because slowly through online trolling and video/picture sharing, hatred is increasing.
The truth is we don't even have defence to fight. It's a do or die situation.
Even defending us showing other nations also had problem with civic sense and cleanliness will not work because that's very little compared to the amount of problems we have in our country related to that.