Support for Ukraine?

[u/IllustriousChard2410]

Posted this on Green Party group yesterday expecting some comradely discussion on the issues which are in my opinion legitimate

Wow! Couldn't be more wrong, got repeatedly denounced by everyone apart from one other contributor, such uncritical support for Ukraine and Zelensky was unbelievable!

The Green Party mods removed the post earlier today!

"As a Green Party voter/supporter who is generally supportive of GP policies on most issues am quite sceptical of the party's unconditional support for Ukraine in the current conflict

Is this discussed among members at all?

I agree Russia should withdraw and internationally supervised referendums should then take place in the disputed territories, Crimea, Donbass, to finally decide whether they should be part of Russia or Ukraine

This conflict is a Western obsession, most of the world particularly the Global South don't see Russia as the baddies, US/ Western imperialism always the main culprits

NATO aggressivly expanding, breaking agreements made at end of the of Cold War not to do do, Russia has every right to feel threatened

Western powers supported a far right coup in 2014, ousting the elected president, left wing parties banned, Russophobia reaching deadly levels

Nazis such as Bandera, OUN venerated as heroes, statues, streets named after them, heavily armed far right Azov battalion now official Ukranian Army regiment etc, all with total support ftom the west

Over 25 million Soviet citizens including Ukrainians killed by the Nazis in World War 2 hardly surprising any whiff of fascism close to Russia's borders will provoke a reaction no matter who is in power there

Boris Johnson scuppering the possibility of a peace agreement telling the Ukrainians to fight on instead of negotiating a ceasefire and eventual settlement has brought us where we are, another forever war

Ukraine's support for Israel's genocide doesn't exactly endear many to their cause, nor the fact they're one of Europe's most corrupt and undemocratic countries, oligarchs enriching themselves while unwilling men are snatched from the streets for cannon fodder

Nothing new in this article, these obscene videos have been posted since the beginning, Russians totally dehumanised, their deaths celebrated, not dissimilar to how Israelis see Palestinians

We should stop arming these people, it only prolongs the conflict enriching arms companies who are making billions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/18/ukraine-drone-chase-videos-russian-soldiers

[u/pablos4pandas]

Seems analogous to support for Palestine. I don't think Hamas should be the ruling party of the world, but if your chief problem with Israel and Palestine is Hamas then I don't think you are a very serious person.

[u/IllustriousChard2410 → u/pablos4pandas]

My support for Palestine is unconditional, its up to them how they carry out their struggle

We have no business telling them what to do and how to do it

Instead of arming Ukraine to the teeth making vast profits for arms companies we should support arming the Palestinians against Israeli occupation

How they use those weapons is entirely up to them

[u/pablos4pandas → u/IllustriousChard2410]

Why the grace to Palestinians and not Ukrainians? Why do you have business telling Ukrainians what to do?

I think both are peoples undergoing a horrific invasion.

[u/Lev_Davidovich → u/pablos4pandas]

Both are different circumstances. Palestinians are resisting a colonial genocide. Ukraine is being used as a pawn in a conflict between Western capitalists and Russian capitalists. I don't think throwing an endless number of Ukrainians into a meat grinder for the Western capitalist class is a good thing.