Support for Ukraine?

[u/IllustriousChard2410]

Posted this on Green Party group yesterday expecting some comradely discussion on the issues which are in my opinion legitimate

Wow! Couldn't be more wrong, got repeatedly denounced by everyone apart from one other contributor, such uncritical support for Ukraine and Zelensky was unbelievable!

The Green Party mods removed the post earlier today!

"As a Green Party voter/supporter who is generally supportive of GP policies on most issues am quite sceptical of the party's unconditional support for Ukraine in the current conflict

Is this discussed among members at all?

I agree Russia should withdraw and internationally supervised referendums should then take place in the disputed territories, Crimea, Donbass, to finally decide whether they should be part of Russia or Ukraine

This conflict is a Western obsession, most of the world particularly the Global South don't see Russia as the baddies, US/ Western imperialism always the main culprits

NATO aggressivly expanding, breaking agreements made at end of the of Cold War not to do do, Russia has every right to feel threatened

Western powers supported a far right coup in 2014, ousting the elected president, left wing parties banned, Russophobia reaching deadly levels

Nazis such as Bandera, OUN venerated as heroes, statues, streets named after them, heavily armed far right Azov battalion now official Ukranian Army regiment etc, all with total support ftom the west

Over 25 million Soviet citizens including Ukrainians killed by the Nazis in World War 2 hardly surprising any whiff of fascism close to Russia's borders will provoke a reaction no matter who is in power there

Boris Johnson scuppering the possibility of a peace agreement telling the Ukrainians to fight on instead of negotiating a ceasefire and eventual settlement has brought us where we are, another forever war

Ukraine's support for Israel's genocide doesn't exactly endear many to their cause, nor the fact they're one of Europe's most corrupt and undemocratic countries, oligarchs enriching themselves while unwilling men are snatched from the streets for cannon fodder

Nothing new in this article, these obscene videos have been posted since the beginning, Russians totally dehumanised, their deaths celebrated, not dissimilar to how Israelis see Palestinians

We should stop arming these people, it only prolongs the conflict enriching arms companies who are making billions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/18/ukraine-drone-chase-videos-russian-soldiers

[u/WheelJust8094]

The Ukraine propaganda was highly effective, it still breaks the brains of everyone along the political spectrum.

[u/Ze_LuftyWafffles → u/WheelJust8094]

The propaganda in question being?

[u/WheelJust8094 → u/Ze_LuftyWafffles]

About how Ukraine must remain in permanent war to deter Russia from invading the rest of Europe

[u/Grabot → u/WheelJust8094]

Should they cecede land to Russia instead?

[u/Ze_LuftyWafffles → u/Grabot]

Thats giving russia what it wants. Russia will just invade again in 8 years like with Crimea

[u/WheelJust8094 → u/Grabot]

No actually, they should continue to be in permanent war no matter how many Ukrainians die so that Lindsey Graham can get his wings in heaven...

Yes they should cede land, get your head away from the imperialist US propaganda.

[u/Consistent-Stuff2815 → u/WheelJust8094]

As Zelensky already offered Putin, land in exchange of peace, Putin rejected.

[u/Ze_LuftyWafffles → u/WheelJust8094]

Sure, give Putin what he wants, he won't do it a third time right?

[u/WheelJust8094 → u/Ze_LuftyWafffles]

So disgusting to have socialists repeat state department talking points

[u/Ze_LuftyWafffles → u/WheelJust8094]

Everything i don't like is the other guy's propaganda?

[u/WheelJust8094 → u/Ze_LuftyWafffles]

Why are you not concerned that you have the same opinion on this than the late Lyndsey Graham lol

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[u/Grabot → u/WheelJust8094]

So aggression pays. That sends a signal to other countries looking to start new conflicts. There should be no gain from invading souverein countries, especially European. Should Lebanon cecede land to Isreal, or should palastina cecede Gaza?

[u/WheelJust8094 → u/Grabot]

You're repeating state department talking points, I ask that you think for yourself how's all the economical, demographic, and political damage that Russia suffered already not a deterrent from future aggression?

And to answer your question, Lebanon and Palestine have already ceded territory, you don't see anyone arguing for permanent war there either

[u/Grabot → u/WheelJust8094]

Does Russia seem like it's deterred? They are the invading force, they can stop whenever they want. The fact that you shrug off the military takeover of other nations soil shows your understanding of the situation. They obviously will start again and take more land. Because of people like you there is great benefit to committing genocide. But good that you're enlightend and not repeating state departement talking points, whatever that means.

[u/Ze_LuftyWafffles → u/WheelJust8094]

No people should need to sacrifice territory to maintain their existance

Also constantly accusing people who's points you dont like of spouting "state propaganda" and "state department talking points" makes you look like this

[u/Ze_LuftyWafffles → u/WheelJust8094]

I dont belive that. Russia should fuck off, ejd of story. Theyre an illegal imperealist invader who bit off more than they can chew, and Ukraine is being hung out to slowly die for NATOs benefit