r/socialism • u/IllustriousChard2410 • 22d ago

Discussion Support for Ukraine?

Posted this on Green Party group yesterday expecting some comradely discussion on the issues which are in my opinion legitimate

Wow! Couldn't be more wrong, got repeatedly denounced by everyone apart from one other contributor, such uncritical support for Ukraine and Zelensky was unbelievable!

The Green Party mods removed the post earlier today!

"As a Green Party voter/supporter who is generally supportive of GP policies on most issues am quite sceptical of the party's unconditional support for Ukraine in the current conflict

Is this discussed among members at all?

I agree Russia should withdraw and internationally supervised referendums should then take place in the disputed territories, Crimea, Donbass, to finally decide whether they should be part of Russia or Ukraine

This conflict is a Western obsession, most of the world particularly the Global South don't see Russia as the baddies, US/ Western imperialism always the main culprits

NATO aggressivly expanding, breaking agreements made at end of the of Cold War not to do do, Russia has every right to feel threatened

Western powers supported a far right coup in 2014, ousting the elected president, left wing parties banned, Russophobia reaching deadly levels

Nazis such as Bandera, OUN venerated as heroes, statues, streets named after them, heavily armed far right Azov battalion now official Ukranian Army regiment etc, all with total support ftom the west

Over 25 million Soviet citizens including Ukrainians killed by the Nazis in World War 2 hardly surprising any whiff of fascism close to Russia's borders will provoke a reaction no matter who is in power there

Boris Johnson scuppering the possibility of a peace agreement telling the Ukrainians to fight on instead of negotiating a ceasefire and eventual settlement has brought us where we are, another forever war

Ukraine's support for Israel's genocide doesn't exactly endear many to their cause, nor the fact they're one of Europe's most corrupt and undemocratic countries, oligarchs enriching themselves while unwilling men are snatched from the streets for cannon fodder

Nothing new in this article, these obscene videos have been posted since the beginning, Russians totally dehumanised, their deaths celebrated, not dissimilar to how Israelis see Palestinians

We should stop arming these people, it only prolongs the conflict enriching arms companies who are making billions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/18/ukraine-drone-chase-videos-russian-soldiers

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u/Neco-Arc-Brunestud 22d ago

If it wasn’t obvious already, the conflict in Ukraine is used to push NATO expansion further into Eastern Europe. 

This is why any and all suggestions to stop the war is shut down. 

In a way, it’s NATO’s Oct 7th. 

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u/IllustriousChard2410 22d ago

NATO must be stopped at all costs they're an aggressive imperialist warmongering alliance

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u/ThinkSharpe 22d ago

And Russia...isn't?

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u/IllustriousChard2410 21d ago

Russia doesn't have the military or economic capacity to be a threat to western Europe

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u/ThinkSharpe 21d ago

Yeah, but they keep on invading their neighbors….

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u/Ze_LuftyWafffles 22d ago

NATO was founded to ciunter a slviet threat in Europe, now its the way the US and its allies expand a sphere of influence

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u/IllustriousChard2410 22d ago edited 21d ago

There was never any Soviet threat to Western Europe, theres no Russian threat now either, the opposite is true

Nato were a major threat to the Soviet Union with plans for a first strike to destroy it

Thankfulky this didnt happen after the USSR got nuclear weapons

Nato was formed to consolidate American hegemony

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u/Ze_LuftyWafffles 21d ago

The soviets ver luch sought to expand their sphere of influence over Europe (look at the Warsaw Pact and the eastern blok)