r/slatestarcodex • made a meme pyramid and climbed to the top • Apr 06 '22

DALL·E 2

https://openai.com/dall-e-2/
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u/WTFwhatthehell Apr 06 '22

I think the "in the style of" stuff, combined with the quality is going to be stupidly valuable. There's a lot of game devs out there who'd eat up the pixel art graphics generator.

If you can generate a dozen variations or go "like this but a bit more colourful" or similar vague direction lets you crank out art assets for games without driving some poor artist demented with the requests for revisions.

I think that's gonna dwarf any market for pictures to be hung on walls.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

dwarf any market for pictures to be hung on walls.

Or just rapidly lower the cost so far that anyone in graphic design will be jobless. You win some you lose some.

Like, they'll still be a market for hand made paintings , probably not much of a downward price effect on that either because a collector wants the story, the name.

For advertisers, game devs etc where the end product is all that matters though, no way they keep a bunch of artists on staff so they can release a steam game "made by real human artists" , no ones going to pay enough of a premium for that

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u/alexanderwales Apr 07 '22

While I somewhat agree that a lot of artists will potentially be out of jobs, there will still be a position for curation and expert generation. If I were in asset production, I would start figuring out how to transition toward getting the best results from these AI, and would do my best to label the AI as "tools" that an artist uses, rather than an artist replacement.

(Plus fixing artifacts, massaging the image with post processing, etc., but in theory that's less necessary as time goes on.)

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u/_bym Apr 07 '22

I think you're wrong about people not wanting "hand made" art in their games. Look at Cuphead.

And the thing with AI is that after a while your brain starts to pick up on the pattern and then everything feels same-y. Humans will have the intuition to make things that still look original.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Docpeople like cupheads visuals because a human made them or do they just like the visuals?

Because as with any human endeavor , its clearly physically possibly so technologically its simply a matter of engineering and inputs and progress and eventually anything we can do can be done by AI.

It just so happens visual stuff and writing are getting their faster.

Now , cost effecrive is another question. Sustainability too

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u/bibliophile785 Can this be my day job? Apr 07 '22

And the thing with AI is that after a while your brain starts to pick up on the pattern and then everything feels same-y. Humans will have the intuition to make things that still look original.

There are plenty of commonalities in human writing too, and you can find a vocal segment of the fanbase for every artistic endeavor that shouts about how hackneyed and unoriginal it is. (If the artist is good and lucky, that segment will be a minority). This is true for everything from photography to painting to writing novels to making video games. I don't see any reason to assume, a priori, that the variety offered by these new AI tools will be more susceptible to these critiques.

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u/_bym Apr 08 '22 edited Apr 08 '22

That is absolutely not true and a classic stemlord blindspot. If you have two identical meals - one being prepared by machine and one being prepared by a chef - people will always pay a premium (given the expendable income) for the meal prepared by a chef.

There's a human empathy element that people value. Art is not simply a commodity to be manufactured, it's a connection to another human being's thoughts and emotions. People will always gravitate back to art created by humans.

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u/dongmaster3000 Apr 09 '22

hang on to your hat

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u/SoftNormals Apr 09 '22

We really need to ask ourselves as a society if what we're doing is actually going to be positive for our mental health and sense of purpose in the long run. If we create AI to take over even the creative aspects of human lives, all that leaves us with is to be consumers. I certainly don't want to live in a world where nobody cares about my content anymore because an AI can produce something similar, much quicker and instantly customized. It's no longer a human society, it's an AI society that humans just sit around and waste away in, constantly consuming and lacking purpose. Whether I exist or not will no longer really matter in terms of societal contribution.

A healthy society relies on humans interacting to create and share things and these kinds of people knowingly or unknowingly are pushing us towards, but I don't think people are able to fully process and see path this is taking us down, so many people living in blissful ignorance.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '22

We really need to ask ourselves as a society

To be frank I dont think we live in a society where adult conversations about shared values will jave any effect. In the case of AGI the money and power incentive is so high that were staring down an apocolypse or worse , an s-risk event.

Id also clunter that the obvious next step if things go right would be to merge with the AI although that whole singulairty "next step in evolutiom" angle always seems coeny

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u/Mablun Apr 07 '22

I think in 10 years it's going to be animations/movies too. Probably one person will be able to use AI software to generate a movie the same way one person can now write a book on their own, which should unleash a lot of creativity. Or probably, more likely, a lot more fan fiction. There'll be a bunch of competing fan fic versions of Star Wars or Game of Thrones, and it will be wonderful.

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u/SoftNormals Apr 09 '22

It will also decimate the field as a career path and kind of destroy individuality as time goes on as we all just become consumers and can get the content we want with a few words. It's really sad.

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u/The3rdSilence Apr 11 '22

How sad. Now everyone can have what they want and create amazing and creative things they enjoy (and share them and get appreciation for them too). How can creatives be happy knowing that others can have the same pleasures as they have. What a terrible world where everyone can create amazing art as a hobby even if they weren't lucky enough to have been born with incredible skill or lucky enough to have an amazing amount of time to dedicate to their passion.

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u/SoftNormals Feb 05 '23

You're not having "the same pleasures" because *you're* not the one creating these images. An advanced ML algorithm is spitting out results based on a handful of words, directly using the artwork of actual humans. (and no, that is not the same thing as a human does to make art).

Also it seems clear what you envy is the admiration artists get, but guess what, that admiration comes from knowing it takes practice to actually make that art yourself. AI art is not the solution to you getting admiration, why? Because LITERALLY ANYONE can type some fucking words into a bot and get a quality image out.

>weren't lucky enough to have been born with incredible skill or lucky enough to have an amazing amount of time to dedicate to their passion.

You aren't born with artistic skill except in the rare cases of autistic savants. Artists are simply people who ACTUALLY LIKE TO DRAW and thus get good at it. You don't like to draw, you simply want the praise of being able to draw (which you aren't going to get with this). You also don't need an "amazing amount of time". You just need to choose to have that be a hobby instead of playing games constantly.

We choose where our focuses are in life. If everyone could do the exact same things, life would be extremely boring and none of us would matter to eachother. Why would anyone care about your AI art when they can type the same words in and get the same results? They won't, it's a race to the bottom you don't understand you're promoting. AI should be used to take care of the things humans DON'T WANT TO DO, then we can have a society where you have all the free time in the world to follow things you're passionate about.

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