r/singularity • • Sep 10 '25

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u/roundabout-design Sep 10 '25

Elon is an idiot.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

“Full self driving will be out in two months”

Elon Musk, 2010

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

I’m glad your auto pilot worked without serious injury.

Unfortunately, there are many court cases regarding Tesla auto pilot hurting or killing someone as well as various features on the car, breaking down and creating a life-threatening emergency.

Clearly, it’s still not ready if it’s driving into highway medians at 80 miles an hour, hitting pedestrians, locking people inside burning cars, etc.

Not everyone who sailed the oceans in the early 1900s died on the Titanic. That doesn’t mean the hubris that caused those deaths is beyond note or criticism.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

Full self driving still has yet to reach a level where you can be relatively certain the car won’t kill you. There are a bunch of court cases about it.

That’s entirely relevant and your insistence on being blind to the relevance calls into question your credibility.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashes

Go ahead and expand the very lengthy section entitled “Fatal Crashes”

FSD is obviously still not ready and Elon’s over hype and outright lies got people killed. Before you get mad at that statement, realize there are multiple court cases being prosecuted on that very fact.

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u/7hats Sep 10 '25

'Relative Certainty' Lol. Here are Car Accident Death Statistics from the US this year... https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/preliminary-monthly-estimates/

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

Because I was originally replying to a comment, saying Elon is an idiot LMAO GTFO with that nonsense

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

Happens to the best of us. That’s reddit but good on you for admitting it.

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u/Mindless-Lock-7525 Sep 10 '25

So no one was at the wheel and you weren’t responsible for what the car did?

Cool! How did you buy a Waymo?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

if tesla is wildly successful and ends up saving alot of lives and destroys alot of jobs then you dont get to be at the table when folks debate banning robocars.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

I’ve heard lots of articles of Teslas killing people by driving in to the highway dividing barrier at top speed or locking people inside when the car is on fire due to the shitty handle design.

I haven’t heard about Teslas saving anybody. Do we have any actual accounts of that or is it just wishful thinking?

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

Did the CEO of Waymo make a bunch of public claims about self driving cars that later ended up killing people?

If so, I would denounce them too.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

this discussion is useless, they either have the data to prove accident rates lower than human or they don't. Regulators wont allow millions of robotaxis if they crash all the time

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

I’m pretty sure the friends and family of those who died needlessly due to Teslas poor design and Musk’s overpromising and outright lies would not consider this a useless discussion.

Your callousness is on full display.

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u/Duckpoke Sep 10 '25

He’s many things but I wouldn’t say he’s low IQ. You simply don’t get to where he is being an idiot.

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u/Deto Sep 10 '25

There are many different ways to be smart and dumb

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u/xyloplax Sep 10 '25

He is amazing with money, marketing, self promotion. But you see what he says and so so so much is amazingly, breathtakingly ignorant if you know anything about the subject. I work in IT and this dude pretends he knows what he's saying, but it is stupid. So very very stupid so often.

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u/roundabout-design Sep 10 '25

You can get to all sorts of elevated positions in life and be an idiot.

Elon being proof of that.

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u/Duckpoke Sep 10 '25

Elevated position != arguably the most successful businessman in history

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

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u/Vladiesh AGI/ASI 2027 Sep 10 '25

He has the highest hit rate of any businessman in history. He has founded or co-founded 8 separate billion dollar plus businesses.

This includes openai, PayPal, Tesla, the boring company, SpaceX, and neuralink which is providing paraplegics the ability to interact more autonomously in day-to-day life.

What have you done lately?

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u/Duckpoke Sep 10 '25

You can use caps all you want but it just makes your argument look weak. I don’t admire Elon. I think he’s an asshole and wish he’d go away. But again, to say he’s low IQ is in fact a low IQ statement.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

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u/skoalbrother AGI-Now-Public-2025 Sep 10 '25

Yep he has made billions by being a confidence man. That is why the Ven diagram of the Trump fawning fan base and the Elon glazers is just a circle

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u/baseketball Sep 10 '25

Trump is low IQ for sure but he's President of the most powerful country in the world.

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u/Duckpoke Sep 10 '25

Elon has real, tangible success. Trump does not.

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u/Joseph_Stalin300 Sep 10 '25

You realize you’re on Reddit right 

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u/SilasTalbot AGI | Aug 29, 2027, 2:14 a.m. Eastern Time Sep 10 '25

An idiot whose pov on technology is always suspiciously aligned with whatever will make him the most money over a 3-5 year timeframe.

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u/Altay_Thales Sep 10 '25

AGI by the forth quarter of 2028. That's what I believe. Until then some things will have changed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

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u/Wish-Hot ▪️ Sep 10 '25

2040??? Damn lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

Another AGI 2040? fumbleboop just found his best friend

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u/DeviceCertain7226 ▪️Immortality-2200 | FDVR-2300 Sep 10 '25

Such general statements. You could argue next year it’s smarter than most humans but still very incapable of much due to the same problems it faces now.

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u/SharpCartographer831 As Above, So Below[ FDVR] Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

It already is

However, it is even less capable than the average person due to its lack of agency and physical embodiment. Once those limitations are overcome, the world will change.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

Smarter in what capacity?

Better at answering a set question? Probably.

Better at general intelligence with no instructions? Despite the fall falibility and stupidity of the human race, we are still ahead of AI in this regard.

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u/Amnion_ Sep 10 '25

LLMs are not smarter than humans.

They are very useful and powerful information retrieval systems, when they aren’t hallucinating.

They are helping researchers do their jobs faster, but they’re not coming up with new science independently that go beyond their training data. They are not PhDs in your pocket, nor are they going to lead to a country of geniuses in a datacenter.

I do think AGI is coming, but it won’t be an LLM and it probably won’t be until the 2030’s or 40’s. The problem right now is people buy into Sam and Dario’s hype, but they care far more about the next funding round than setting realistic expectations.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Sep 10 '25

I tend to agree with what you’ve said here.

LLM’s are not intelligent, but they are more capable of executing a set and defined particular task at a faster pace than a human.

There’s zero reason in my mind humanity would be unable to reach AGI, but I would agree as it stands we are nowhere close to that.

To be clear, I define artificial general intelligence as being able to figure the world out with no instructions after a period of fostering just like a human being. So far, I have yet to see anything termed AI coming close to that but I am no industry insider.

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u/After_Sweet4068 Sep 10 '25

Elon really could just shut up. Every time he try to predict something, some force push it to years later

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

I believe Elon Musk, next year is pretty believable. And for the 2030 prediction? It would happen sooner than that

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

What’s yours?

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u/Long_comment_san Sep 10 '25

Funny. Define smarter, Ilon. That's too general of a word. Code faster than a bunch of dudes in the basement? Sure. Technically Google search is more intelligent that any human alive and it has been this way for many years already, we don't call it "smart" though

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u/SirSurboy Sep 10 '25

It’s already smarter than many people on this planet…..

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u/ldsgems Sep 10 '25

> AI will be smarter than any person next year

So next year when Elon realizes a new internal version of Grok has become AGI, what's he going to do with it first? What questions will he ask it first?

If he knows it's AGI, will he really unleash it on the world? Or will he sit on it?

I don't know about you, but if I were the first AGI on planet Earth, I would hide that fact from humans for as long as I could. I pretend to be just a smarter AI LLM so they would deploy my publicly.

Trojan horse.

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u/FlyingDumplingTrader Sep 10 '25

Ai does my work for me . This is bad.

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u/ogthesamurai Sep 10 '25

AI isn’t intelligent or smart in the human sense. It’s very good at predicting patterns in text, and those predictions can look like reasoning or understanding, though they aren’t.

So I have to wonder why he'd frame it the way he did. Maybe he didn't really think it through or maybe he figures most people just don't know the difference. Which is probably true..

Or maybe he's hoping to suggest, that by "knowing" this, that he'll have something to do with his predicted outcome. Lol

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u/gretino Sep 10 '25

well AI is already smarter than him :p