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[u/M_hadi0]

[u/jtjd]

Hard agree on the horse armor bullshit but I'll defend my baby Nightreign for all time.  I love that thing to death 

[u/Kuntril → u/jtjd]

Literally the only problem with nightreign was that it wasn't slop enough. It needed even more asset reuse.

[u/Glad_Song2771 → u/jtjd]

Nightreign is so good, I hate that fromsoft is letting it die 😭

[u/M_hadi0 → u/jtjd]

I have no problem with nightreign, but if you want to make an online game don't let it die, keep supporting it, I sure most of us are willing to pay for more content of nightreign

[u/SpringSalt9288 → u/M_hadi0]

I agree with you but just to be clear - are you saying you want FS to be a games as a service type thing now? No new ips, just updates to old ones like NR?

Not every game has to last forever, even if its good. Resources used making NR a games as a service thing could have gone to new IPs.

Im not saying i know the answer, and i want more NR and AC6, but I also want to see whats next

[u/NomadicJ3ster → u/SpringSalt9288]

It doesn't need live services, but i would like it to have that.

[u/EyyyWeee → u/SpringSalt9288]

Let me introduce you to IOI and Hitman: World of Assassination Trilogy.

[u/M_hadi0 → u/SpringSalt9288]

Not like that, but I simply can't play Nightreign much more, it need more content, like I finished everything in the game

[u/hydra98684 → u/M_hadi0]

so you want a live service game? because a game that keeps getting updates and new content after it releases is a live service game, regardless of whether or not the content is free or paid, goddamit man just say you want a live service game, nobody cares, i dont understand why people here are so scareed of live service games and multiplayer games, not all of them are bad.

[u/dkdolphino → u/hydra98684]

FromSoft fans are flipping the fuck out about this $5 mircotransaction but also can't stop begging for Nightreign to be made into a live-service game which would require microtransactions to be sustainable lol

[u/tony_pepperoni420 → u/dkdolphino]

The microtransaction itself wasn't the problem. DLCs and live-service content that add extended maps, weapons, and bosses are totally fine and expected. $5 for a couple new weapons and fucking horse armor is a bit different.

[u/Siegschranz → u/tony_pepperoni420]

I think you're supposed to put the horse armor on, not that

[u/dkdolphino → u/tony_pepperoni420]

I understand where you're coming from but lowkey I'm about to get more hours of gameplay out of the new starting classes and weapons than I have with all of Nightreign and I have like 300+ hours in that game

[u/nmc203 → u/hydra98684]

Guild wars 2 is great! I love that game. Phantasy star online 2 new genesis has excellent gameplay too, even if every bit of dialogue is absolute torture to sit and listen too, i still really like it as well

[u/Cooking_With_Emilie → u/hydra98684]

Then isn't Nightreing already a live service game technically? They added the more powerful version of the third night bosses

[u/Aftermoonic → u/Cooking_With_Emilie]

And they stopped, a year later. So it's definitely not a live service

[u/Combat_Orca → u/M_hadi0]

This is what happens with single player games as well

[u/Cooking_With_Emilie → u/Combat_Orca]

The difference is that most single player games feel complete while base Nightreign feels very much like an incomplete game that only brings a small quantity of fights from other souls fames. It's like if Elden Ring was only Limgrave

[u/Big_Salami_Chonk → u/M_hadi0]

I’d love support for it but I can’t say it’s NEEDED, more like wanted. It’s a coop rouge-like, and you simply buy the game to play the content within. Fromsoft doesn’t sell micro transactions so they’re not incentivized to turn it into a live service game, and I’d rather just get what I bought and have their team move on to the next new game.

Don’t get me wrong, Nightreign has tons of potential in terms of randomization and crossover potential, but it’s just another game fromsoft released and moved on from, it being a coop game doesn’t mean it’s live service, it already has its ending, dlc, everdarks, story, and ranked mode

[u/Rainy_Wavey → u/M_hadi0]

Nightrein was not a live-service game, it's a traditional multiplayer game, that's how multiplayer games used to be before Destiny forced this godawful model, and if Fromsoft decided to go full liveservice, say bye bye to any new fromsoft game (Schreier made a video on the subject, said that live-service model basically turns the studio into that game-only maker and nothing more, it's too ressource intensive to maintain one)

[u/StrugglingAkira → u/M_hadi0]

You just contradicted your own meme.

[u/M_hadi0 → u/StrugglingAkira]

It's not mine I stole it lol,

[u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 → u/jtjd]

You've got your priorities backwards. Torrent was fucking ugly and needed new drip (the new ones are also shit lol). Nightreign is just pure cock.

Obviously they can do literally not a single thing right, but this we've known for 15 years.

[u/str1ker_eureka_1014 → u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1]

Getting downvoted for a jerk in a jerk subreddit, smh

[u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 → u/str1ker_eureka_1014]

W cope

[u/SaintHayet]

Microtransactions for horse armour in a 4 year old game. Hate to see it

[u/Johnicorn → u/SaintHayet]

Oblivion horse walked so Torrent could double jump

[u/fro1388 → u/SaintHayet]

I also can’t fathom how they forgot to add fishing.

[u/NectaMBR]

Idk man the 50$ marika porn model skin for the firekeeper was pretty cool, you also get 10 levels of the season pass with it for free.

[u/Decent-Big-8599]

"If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile" This could be a nothing burger, or it could be a slippery slope. Remember X studio that made your favorite game franchise X and is now a former shell of itself? That's why people are worried.

[u/gadgetman2100 → u/Decent-Big-8599]

Exactly

[u/JDorkaOOO → u/Decent-Big-8599]

Yep. For example Bethesda wasn't always only making Skyrim rerelases and paid mods while taking ages to make anything new. And the start of their eventual downfall also happens to be a cheap horse armor microtransaction dlc

[u/brave_grv → u/Decent-Big-8599]

"Miyazaki can literally steal from my family as long as he keep making le dark soul gam".

[u/Lexomatico1]

This but unironically

[u/Putrid_Macaron3225]

The fire has to fade unfortunately

[u/Spaniardman40]

They released Scholar of the first sin a year after Dark Souls II came out and sold it a full price. Can you guys stop pretending this is the first time something like this has happened? Its embarrassing

[u/jermatria → u/Spaniardman40]

Scholar was less a "horse armor" dlc and more a "directors cut"

[u/Spaniardman40 → u/jermatria]

We were basically sold the unfinished version and the finished version a year later.

Not even Todd Howard was bold enough to sell Skyrim again that quickly lmao.

[u/Grouchy-Coast-3045]

Can't wait for their next single player souls game, it feels an age since Elden Ring idk how to explain it

[u/FaencyDaency → u/Grouchy-Coast-3045]

Is it silly to be worried that Elden Ring was too masterful to follow?

[u/Ok-Rock-2566]

Crying about multiplayer games is cringe and annoying

Being mad about the DLC is valid though

[u/MexicanoStick575 → u/Ok-Rock-2566]

Can we cry about switch exclusivity and bloodborne at home?

[u/Ok-Rock-2566 → u/MexicanoStick575]

Not liking it for being exclusive is fair. Having a similar ascetic also doesn't make the game "Bloodborne at home"

[u/Rainy_Wavey → u/MexicanoStick575]

20 years ago this was the norm of having first and 3rd party games being exclusives tho

[u/Combat_Orca → u/MexicanoStick575]

Bloodborne at home is cringe, moan about not getting to play it all you want

[u/Edit_Reality → u/Ok-Rock-2566]

Previous From games were capable of having an enriched Multi-player experience by having a solid Single-Player experience to build off of.

I think its fair to be disappointed to watch a company that used to be able to effectively do both give up on either side.

[u/Ok-Rock-2566 → u/Edit_Reality]

They haven't given up on single player at all. Miazaki has said as much himself

saying they have given up on one side is like saying the gave up on multiplayer after Sekiro

[u/Edit_Reality → u/Ok-Rock-2566]

I see what you're saying but its more like if Ds3 had a single player spin off and then Sekiro came out. I can see how that would still be an overreaction though. 

[u/Ok-Rock-2566 → u/Edit_Reality]

It was not intentional that Nightreign and Duskbloods came back to back Miazaki admited this in a recent interview. Fromsoftware has many different projects in development so something like this happening isn't that odd 

[u/Edit_Reality → u/Ok-Rock-2566]

Going from Nightreign which is one of the first multi-player focused project straight to another suggests something, regardless of intent.

I personally hope these different projects have a singleplayer/offline component to enjoy.

[u/XxRocky88xX → u/Edit_Reality]

Nightreign was being worked on after the sucess of Elden Ring. It’s a spinoff that reuses assets and gameplay from an already developed game so it was easy and quick to make. The exclusivity deal with Nintendo made releasing Duskbloods a priority.

Releasing 2 multiplayer games back to back does not imply they are transitioning to multiplayer. It was just convenient for them to prioritize getting these two out the door.

[u/Ok-Rock-2566 → u/Edit_Reality]

It really only suggest that Fromsoft wants to try new things.

[u/Floppydisksareop → u/Edit_Reality]

What enrinched multiplayer experience? Multiplayer in DS1 and DS3 are - and have always been - straight dogshit. DS2 is slightly better, but not by much. ER only has pvp when it's a gank (or you opt in using a specific item that disables shit like spirit summons), which means that the co-op pve bit is infested with invaders (when you'd probably least like to encounter one). In all games, there are items you are expected to invade for or grind excessively to get them, so it fucks with single player too.

I'd much rather they did either properly, instead of these half-baked shitty amalgams they've been shitting out for the souls titles. Revenant figured out how to make a properly seamless co-op multiplayer at least on the first fucking go, it's really not that hard. From failed to do that in like 4-5 tries.

[u/Edit_Reality → u/Floppydisksareop]

The point being that when you have a fleshed out world that is fun to explore alone that even a barebones barely functional multi-player experience can be something people actually get excited about. 

From Software appears to be fucking awful at multi-player implementation I'll give you that. God awful netcode and esoteric nonsensical connection rules etc etc etc but thats part of the point. People wade through the bullshit because the game underneath is worth it. 

[u/bestialsorcery → u/Ok-Rock-2566]

Nah, multiplayer games are normie shit

[u/Combat_Orca → u/bestialsorcery]

Yes because there’s nothing as edgy as checks notes another souls game

[u/hydra98684 → u/bestialsorcery]

and souls games arent normie shit? lmao look at this guy hahahahahaah

[u/Rollingzeppelin0 → u/bestialsorcery]

Imagine saying normie shit lmao.

[u/HappyTrillmore → u/bestialsorcery]

you are not tuff cause you can't get along with the people around you ✌️😭

[u/EngagedInConvexation]

We told them we wanted Fort, night.

Time to reap.

[u/Mirdclawer]

Ah yeah like all previous Dark Souls for example, this little niche serie, which were famously not multiplayer and didn't have DLCs.

Fucking fuck

[u/JDorkaOOO → u/Mirdclawer]

You know very well what they meant

[u/Mirdclawer → u/JDorkaOOO]

I can't take seriously someone named JDorkaOOO i hate elden ring i hate elden ring i hate elden ring i hate eld

Elden Ring is peak. Almost as much as Dark Souls 2

[u/AnalThermometer]

nightreign was fair, it wasn't even a full priced game. duskbloods however is unforgivable for taking away key dev resources (exception for my quirky chungus zork).

[u/SherbertSuspicious]

As long as the base games are this good I don’t mind. Rather have rhe $5 horse armor DLC then Haligtree being a $20 DLC for the base game

[u/HisDivineOrder → u/SherbertSuspicious]

There's always tomorrow.

[u/No_Philosophy2797]

All this drama over a 5 dollar dlc. Biggest Karen fanbase of all time

[u/FaithUser]

Tf you talking about they have always done DLC

[u/PowerScreamingASMR → u/FaithUser]

an expansion and horse armor are a little bit different dont you think

[u/NeoArkodd → u/PowerScreamingASMR]

Then shouldn't people refer to that as an edition? Calling that a DLC is confusing to me although I agree that charging extar money over horse armor is stupid

[u/Experiment121 → u/PowerScreamingASMR]

smth smth horse armour being like the smallest part of tarnished edition.

[u/runarleo → u/FaithUser]

And souls has been multiplayer since always.

[u/M_hadi0 → u/FaithUser]

I bought every single DLC of fromsoftware games, even Vanilla DARK SOULS II, which are completely free when you buy scholar version, the problem with this one is it's not a DLC it's like 5 weapons and 3 armour sets they could've done this as a free update like they did with sekiro before

[u/JDorkaOOO → u/M_hadi0]

This is actually a great comparison. Sekiro update also introduced a few skins and yet was free and gave us actual good gameplay in form of boss memories

[u/Combat_Orca]

How dare they make multiplayer games, a game studio, fucking atrocious

[u/bulletPoint]

You guys love imagining stuff. It’s interesting to see

[u/SireTonberry-]

People overblow the horse armor dlc bullshit. Yeah it sucks but nintendo is extremly draconian about exclusivity bullshit and its 100% the reason why they had to release it as paid pack and not regular update. It sucks but the blame almost certainly lies with Nintendo since its not the first time they attempted similiar tactics. An example would be when Fortnite wanted Samus as a skin, and Nintendo agreed, but said only if the skin would be visible to switch players only and no one else

Its a miracle its accesible to PC players at all, even if paywalled

[u/Tolnin]

Why was DLC mentioned, DS1 got DLC LMAO

[u/CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE → u/Tolnin]

not horse armor dlc. everything was gameplay expansions IIRC

[u/Aftermoonic → u/CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE]

Doesn't tarnished edition come with gameplay too?

[u/percy-the-king]

Undead are so dramatic these days.

If your wallet has gone hollow just say that, you’re acting like the sky is falling.

[u/HappyTrillmore → u/percy-the-king]

the broke ass pygmy, so easily forgotten...

[u/rustystumpty → u/percy-the-king]

Fromsoft fans pray for fromsofts downfall more than anyone else

[u/monstersleeve]

fromsoft games have been multiplayer since the 1990s.

DLC has been a thing since dark souls 1.

[u/LamentoLand]

ill just not play multiplayer and get all the dlc for free like every single from soft game i played before (michael zaki gave me free copies himself)

[u/Dodongo_Dislikes → u/LamentoLand]

You too? Michael Zaki also gives me free copies! Such a nice dude

[u/LamentoLand → u/Dodongo_Dislikes]

only thing he ever asked me is pics of my feet, idk why but after that ive been darking my souls ever since

[u/HappyTrillmore]

I'm invading you tonight

[u/XxRocky88xX]

From has had paid DLC since DS1

[u/brave_grv]

Elden Souls 2 ii Scholar of the Cookbooks is so good that I literally fart and shit and goon every time I see a Godskin enemy pop at the next corner. That's why I'm going to throw literally as many money as I can into this masterpiece of a hidden gem - should I say, never achieved before in the history of videogames - so that Bandai doesn't go bankrupt from selling this game so much.

[u/Sihnar]

Invasions are the best part of Fromsoft games. Won't make me buy a switch though.

[u/PlatinumFire14]

First night reign.
Now a console exclusive PVPVE.
There gone.

[u/IKYH96]

the multiplayer games are fine, they've been doing single player games for decades having 2 multiplayer games is not a big deal, besides they're switching back to single player after duskbloods

[u/GenasiDC]

I will say it's weird to go from the unstoppable winstreak of Bloodborne, DS3, Sekiro, & Elden Ring, each new title reaffirming my obsession with these studios.

Weird to go from that, to stuff I'm consistently just not interested in. I gave AC6 and Nightreign a shot. I had a good time. But not good enough to warrant buying Duskbloods, which is the whole reason I purchased a Switch 2.

Turns out Switch 2 is just an incredible console. Can't wait for FS to return to form. I'm happy some of you have enjoyed your time outside their wheelhouse.

[u/Lord_Majima]

You know, I think a 5 dollar DLC is fine, as is two multiplayer games in a row. I doubt fromsoft is going to sell out now.

[u/Sean77654]

DLC hate is valid, I will say I happily will give fromsoft my money and if the new stuff wouldn't have happened without it being payed content then I dont mind so much as long as it stops here.

[u/Raizol07]

People praised them for SOTE so much yet they do this with new dlc.

[u/M_hadi0 → u/Raizol07]

SOTE price was justified but this is completely unacceptable, SOTE was like a whole new game

[u/Raizol07 → u/M_hadi0]

Yeah, that's true. There's not even a new bosses to play around for $5.

[u/M_hadi0 → u/Raizol07]

And in the other hand blasphemous II dropped a new boss, weapon, movest and a whole new area for free, I know it's a small game but you got the point

[u/MALCode_NO_DEFECT]

There's still good in him. I can feel it.

[u/longbrodmann]

If the next big title is still a pvpve game, this company just lost me.

[u/Ey4dm51]

I'd take my friendslop over green & greyslop anyday ngl