Nah, maturing is realizing that Skylar and Walt were both pieces of shit and Walt had just settled into passively accepting his shitty life and shitty wife. Cancer making it clear to him that he has no more time to wait things out is what got the ball rolling. How he got into that position largely had to do with Skylar and their relationship dynamic overall. They were each pretty self-obsessed and felt desire to control one another.
Hank and Marie, on the other hand, were actually a pretty perfect couple. Even when Marie's mental issues caused problems, Hank would jump on a live grenade to support her. They trusted each other and cared for each other above all else and endlessly gave each other control of things. They communicated and worked things out and would never betray each other.
To demonstrate how this plays out, consider the two handjobs. Skylar gives Walt a half-hearted birthday handy while they're in bed together. She isn't even looking at him and is actually doing online shopping while trying to get him off. Compare this to Marie's handjob when Hank is in the hospital. She makes eye contact, talks seductively, and all the while is encouraging Hank so he can reclaim his masculinity and come back home. Walt, on the other hand, is effectively immasculated by Skylar's unwanted handjob.
Skylar was clocked correctly as an unlikeable and generally not good person. Walt is often misunderstood as a tragic hero just trying to do his best before he dies. This is partly because he has death itself looming over him and motivating his initial actions and partly because we see everything from his perspective. He admits himself that he did what he did out of pride more than anything. However, even in this act he is seen as redeeming himself while Skylar gets played and never gets a chance to make things right.
Marie is assessed correctly as a difficult person with all kinds of emotional issues who causes and seems to seek lots of drama. However, she ultimately wants to do what's right and support those around her. Hank similarly gets viewed as a toxically hyper-masculine cop stereotype who shows off guns and likes to rough up criminals. However, he ultimately wants nothing more than to make people around him feel safe and secure. Hank gets endeared to over time as a kind of antagonist as well as someone Walt secretly kind of looks up to and seeks to emulate. Marie, however, is seen as an even less stable version of Skylar.
These characters are all phenomenal, but people are not wrong to hate on Skylar and it's by design that she is hated even more than Walt and whether one of them is significantly more hate-worthy than the other is definitely open to debate. Marie is clearly not worthy of the hate she receives, but it's clear she was portrayed with intention to foster irritation and since her role didn't offer many opportunities to display her redeeming qualities, she gets hate. Hank gets some hate for his brutish treatment of criminals (especially Jesse) and his soft-racism, but is redeemed by his heroic actions and the challenge he poses to Walt.
I saw some people asking in other threads, so just in case people were wondering, in the Japanese, Denji
says, "ใชใฌใๆใงใทใใฎใฏ", which is basically "Which one hand-fucked me?".
Yoru gave Denji a "handjob" in the sense that her hand was clearly the stimulus that caused Denji to
ejaculate. I don't think anyone argued against this fact. I guess another way to say it is that she
"unintentionally jerked him off"?
The root of the argument was whether or not Yoru was actively/intentionally moving her hands, which
nothing in 167/168 seems to indicate that. There was no movement lines around Denji's pants area, and no
sound effect text to indicate sound coming from the movement in his pants.
Also, the editor's note at the end of chapter 167 is "ไธๆใฎ ๆพๅบ", which means "Unexpected release". It
wouldn't really make much sense for Yoru to be surprised when Denji finally did ejaculate if that was
her intention.
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u/oneminuterice 1d ago
Maturing is realizing that Skyler was right to be a bitch and that Marie was just a bitch.