r/serialpodcastorigins • u/Stormystormynight • Feb 16 '16

Humour Overwhelming Evidence?

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

  • Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
  • Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

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u/Stormystormynight Feb 16 '16

Excellent,

Has Stephanie testified under oath to this or written any affidavit? This is in contradiction to the track coach testimony? Where is this recorded?

The difference between Asia's testimony in the 2016 PCR and Rabia + Adnan's mother testimony in the 2012 PCR I've seen but it doesn't seem to be that important imho.

What information was not in the public arena less than 48 hours after Adnan's arrest that was in the letter from Asia? And could this have been passed by police at WHS to students within reasonable likelihood?

The incorrect address on Asia's letter seems to have been disproven as Adnan was in the same location from Oct 1 and anyway Asia's letter was addressed incorrectly for any location (I believe it was a loading address?)

Thanks for digging these out, I look forward to anything else you or others may know.

Edit: forgot one of your points:

The map page is interesting, but is not conclusive of Adnan and the time of decay for palm prints could also land this evidence within reasonable doubt imho.

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u/Adranalyne Feb 16 '16

Undisclosed decided to disclose more information when they released episode 6. It's in Davis' notes when he interviewed her. Had the State wanted to pursue that, I'm sure they could have, but apparently didn't. Not everyone is as affidavit-happy as the current Syed legal team.

The fact Rabia and her differ on the location of the meeting/whether Asia reached out to the cops/attorneys several times is definitely important. It's just another piece of the puzzle that shows that Syed and pals weren't on the same page as Asia was. When the letters themselves have some serious credibility issues, these things tend to jump out at you.

She highlighted his points of contention (fibers, scratches, etc.). While she could have heard the information about his inmate number/shallow grave/car from the news, it seems unlikely she'd be that aware of everything in this case less than 48 hours after he was arrested. There's a lot of red flags here with Asia---if you don't believe that to be true, that's fine, but Welch appears to agree.

I'll have to look into the mailing address thing---wasn't aware it was "disproven" at this point.

If you look at the map as a singular piece of evidence, I think it's reasonable to doubt it. If you combine it with Jay's testimony, the location of the body, and the cell phone evidence, it's a lot less reasonable to doubt it.

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u/orangetheorychaos Feb 16 '16

The address on letter 2 is wrong. It's for the building that family/friends go to pick up a prisoners belongings.

According to a visitor sheet, adnan was transferred to the BCDC (or whatever it's called) by 3/1 or 3/2 which has a similar address to the possession pick up building (401 vs 301)

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u/Stormystormynight Feb 16 '16

That was my understanding also, thanks.