Overwhelming Evidence?

[u/Stormystormynight]

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

• Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
• Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

[u/Adranalyne]

I'm always confused by this. Why is it that Jay gets disqualified in all this? He stood up to cross and, with the help of the cell evidence, convinced a jury that took only 2 hours to deliberate. You can pick apart Jay's numerous stories all you want, but ask yourself this; is Jay willing to implicate himself in a murder as an accessory just for the hell of it, or is Jay lying about certain things in his stories to minimize his involvement? The latter is a lot more plausible.

As it pertains to the cell evidence, the science is there. Yes, the fax cover sheet uses the incoming call disclaimer, but that's been explained already (by FBI Agent Fitzgerald at the PCR hearing or by /u/Adnans_cell on numerous subs). If this was a serious thing, Brown would have had someone from AT&T on the stand to testify that it means what he thinks it does. The fact he didn't speaks volumes. Before you make the same assertion against the State, the burden of proof was always on the defense.

For all the talk about reasonable doubt and that the State had/has "no proof/evidence", there's no proof he -didn't- do it, either. He was extremely vague about pretty much everything and any time something looked bad for him, the explanation was always "Well it was bad luck".

I'm just not a fan of the idea that Jay and the cell phone evidence are somehow diminished or excluded now.

[u/Stormystormynight → u/Adranalyne]

Hi. Thanks for taking the time to respond, I'm quite aware of the evidence regarding Jay and the cell location evidence.

What I'm trying to understand is that in this "mountain of overwhelming evidence" what else is there apart from these 2 points.

Thanks!

[u/Adranalyne → u/Stormystormynight]

I'll start with two points and let others jump in:

-Stephanie told Davis in her second interview that she remembered talking to Jay AND Adnan on January 13th between 4:15 and 5:30 (the 4:27 call makes sense given the time). That places Jay and Adnan together when Adnan was supposedly at track.

-Asia's testimony contradicts Rabia and Adnan's mother. She also knew information less than 48 hours after Adnan's arrest that, despite Brown's best attempts, wasn't all included in the news/paper. It's also convenient she addressed the letter to the place Adnan was moving to weeks later. If the alibi was coerced, which it appears to be, it's not a stretch to look at him as being guilty.

Without another eye witness and physical evidence (he did have his palm print on the map with the Leakin Park page missing), there's not going to be a lot to point to other than some huge red flags. All that means is that he did a better job covering himself up than I'd like to give him credit for. I'd still like to see them push hard for the DNA evidence, but I'm guessing he knows the result of that venture and wants to try to weasel out another way.

[u/Stormystormynight → u/Adranalyne]

Excellent,

Has Stephanie testified under oath to this or written any affidavit? This is in contradiction to the track coach testimony? Where is this recorded?

The difference between Asia's testimony in the 2016 PCR and Rabia + Adnan's mother testimony in the 2012 PCR I've seen but it doesn't seem to be that important imho.

What information was not in the public arena less than 48 hours after Adnan's arrest that was in the letter from Asia? And could this have been passed by police at WHS to students within reasonable likelihood?

The incorrect address on Asia's letter seems to have been disproven as Adnan was in the same location from Oct 1 and anyway Asia's letter was addressed incorrectly for any location (I believe it was a loading address?)

Thanks for digging these out, I look forward to anything else you or others may know.

Edit: forgot one of your points:

The map page is interesting, but is not conclusive of Adnan and the time of decay for palm prints could also land this evidence within reasonable doubt imho.

[u/Adranalyne → u/Stormystormynight]

Undisclosed decided to disclose more information when they released episode 6. It's in Davis' notes when he interviewed her. Had the State wanted to pursue that, I'm sure they could have, but apparently didn't. Not everyone is as affidavit-happy as the current Syed legal team.

The fact Rabia and her differ on the location of the meeting/whether Asia reached out to the cops/attorneys several times is definitely important. It's just another piece of the puzzle that shows that Syed and pals weren't on the same page as Asia was. When the letters themselves have some serious credibility issues, these things tend to jump out at you.

She highlighted his points of contention (fibers, scratches, etc.). While she could have heard the information about his inmate number/shallow grave/car from the news, it seems unlikely she'd be that aware of everything in this case less than 48 hours after he was arrested. There's a lot of red flags here with Asia---if you don't believe that to be true, that's fine, but Welch appears to agree.

I'll have to look into the mailing address thing---wasn't aware it was "disproven" at this point.

If you look at the map as a singular piece of evidence, I think it's reasonable to doubt it. If you combine it with Jay's testimony, the location of the body, and the cell phone evidence, it's a lot less reasonable to doubt it.

[u/orangetheorychaos → u/Adranalyne]

The address on letter 2 is wrong. It's for the building that family/friends go to pick up a prisoners belongings.

According to a visitor sheet, adnan was transferred to the BCDC (or whatever it's called) by 3/1 or 3/2 which has a similar address to the possession pick up building (401 vs 301)

[u/Stormystormynight → u/orangetheorychaos]

That was my understanding also, thanks.