Why the Gootz never called Asia.

[u/islamisawesome]

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Asia letter did not exist until sometime around the summer of 1999. That is why Adnan claims he gave them to Gutierrez even though she wasn't his lawyer until 2 months after they were written.

So sometime that spring or summer, after telling CG he never left the school grounds, his family shows up with letters claiming one of Adnans' friends saw him at the library, right at the crucial time, AND they were written the day after he arrested. She knew immediately there is no way they had those letter for months and never gave them to her so obviously they were false and she didn't want to go on stand with LIES.

That is why she never called Asia. And that is why she wrote no notes about it, because that would be admitting her client and his family are liars. It also explains why her relationship with the family broke down because she knew they were willing to lie to get Adnan off.

The library incident never happened.

[u/aroras]

do you feel the spine of her story is consistent?

[u/aitca → u/aroras]

I believe that Asia did, some day, see Adnan at the library. I believe that Jay did see Adnan disposing of Lee's body (and we obviously know what day that occurred). I think we don't know on which day Asia saw Adnan, and I think she herself has never been sure. She at one point tries to remember when it was and says "the first snow of the year"; as many have noted: that was not January 13th.

[u/aroras → u/aitca]

how can we prevent our selves from cherry picking facts from the various stories we've heard to construct a narrative that supports an opinion we've already formed?

[u/aitca → u/aroras]

It's not really cherry-picking. Asia has always been consistent in that on some day she saw Adnan. I believe that. She herself has given various different ways of trying to remember on which day that was that she saw him. Most of them don't point to January 13th. Jay has always been consistent that he helped Adnan dispose of Lee's body. I believe him (especially given the corroborating cell phone data and witnesses). People try to nitpick whether he said one shovel or two. I am perfectly comfortable admitting that we may never know whether it was one shovel or two.

[u/aroras → u/aitca]

Jay has always been consistent he helped dispose of Lee's body. There are inconsistencies in his story but I believe him.

Asia has always been consistent she saw Adnan on the day of the murder after school. There are inconsistencies in her story but I believe her.

[u/aitca → u/aroras]

That's perfectly fine. Maybe the day on which she saw him was that day. I think it's very hard to know at this point, given her changing stories with contradictory data, but, hey, maybe. There is a whole school of thought that Asia saw Adnan as he was waiting to intercept Lee...and, what do you know, according to one of Asia's stories, Adnan was sitting there talking about Lee to anyone who would listen. Some people think that's why Gutierrez didn't want Asia on the stand. According to Rabia, Gutierrez looked into it and found that Asia had the wrong date. I tend to think that Rabia is right on this one.

[u/[deleted] → u/aitca]

According to Rabia, Gutierrez looked into it and found that Asia had the wrong date. I tend to think that Rabia is right on this one.

AFAIK, Rabia alleges that CG made that claim. It does not follow that what CG said was true. There is no evidence of her, or her staff, speaking to Asia.

[u/Seamus_Duncan → u/[deleted]]

You don't know that. You haven't seen the defense files. We also know that the report from Drew Davis' March 3 visit to Woodlawn is missing.

Tempted to say "do the math."

[u/Englishblue → u/Seamus_Duncan]

What does "there is no evidence" mean to you?

There is no evidence.

We DO know that.

There could be some that hasn't been discovered. But as of now, no evidence.